Continuous Function? g(x): Real Q & Non-Q Cases

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The discussion centers on the continuity of the function g defined by g(x) = x^2 for rational x and g(x) = 0 for irrational x. Participants explore whether g is continuous on the real line and examine specific points, particularly x = 0, and the implications of differentiability.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the continuity of g on all of R, suggesting the answer is no, but hints at a possible point of continuity.
  • Another participant proposes that g is differentiable at x = 0, arguing that the limit of the difference quotient exists and is equal from both sides.
  • A participant introduces a sequence of rational numbers converging to an irrational number, asking about the limits of the function at these points.
  • One participant outlines a method to show that g is not continuous at points other than x = 0 by demonstrating that the limits differ for rational and irrational inputs.
  • Another participant provides a detailed mathematical argument showing that the limit does not exist at points a ≠ 0, indicating that g is not continuous there.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the overall continuity of g. There are competing views regarding its differentiability at x = 0 and the continuity at other points.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of continuity and differentiability, as well as the specific behavior of the function at rational versus irrational points. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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let g:R->R be a real function defined by rule
g(x) = x^2 if x\in\mathbb{Q} and
g(x) = 0 if x\notin\mathbb{Q}

is g continuous (*on R)?

Many thanks in advance

*thanks for pointing out mistake above.
 
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where?
 
how?

oh wait, we're not just asking random questions here?

@jacksonjs20: if you're asking if g is continuous on all of R, the answer is no.

there might be one place where g is continuous...what do you think? can you prove it?
 
I have come to the conclusion that g must be differentiable at x=0, and thus continuous, since the limit of the difference quotient from above and below exist and are equal.

Is this correct?

If so what is the most efficient method of proving that it is not differentiable at any other points in R?

By showing f is not continuous on R\{0}?

If so how would one go about this?
 
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Let q_n be a sequence of rational numbers converging to a irrational number, e.g. sqrt(2).

What is lim f(q_n), and what is f(lim q_n)?
 
If a function f is continuous at a point x_0, then for every sequence of points \{ x_n \}_{n=1}^{\infty} such that x_n \rightarrow x_0, we have f(x_n) \rightarrow f(x_0). So try approaching each point along a sequence of rational numbers, and then along a sequence of irrational numbers.
 
suppose a is not 0. then a^2 is not 0.

let ε > 0.

let δ = min{1,ε/(2|a|+1)}.

for all rational x with |x-a| < δ

|x^2 - a^2| = |x+a||x-a| ≤ (|x|+|a|)|x-a|

≤ (2|a|+1)|x-a| < (2|a|+1)(ε/(2|a|+1)) = ε

so the limit, if it exists, must be a^2.

but for all irrational x with |x-a| < δ,

f(x) = 0, so the limit, if it exists, must be 0.

the limit cannot be both, so it does not exist, so f(x) is not continuous at a ≠ 0.
 

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