Continuous functions on metric spaces part 2

Click For Summary
The discussion focuses on proving the continuity of a function in a metric space using the triangle inequality and the definition of continuity. Participants emphasize the importance of understanding the properties of metrics and how to apply them to establish continuity at a point. The proof involves showing that for any given epsilon, a corresponding delta can be determined, specifically using the relationship between distances in the metric space. There is a consensus on the necessity of a clear logical structure in proofs, with a reminder that continuity must be established for every point in the space. Overall, the conversation highlights the mathematical rigor required in analyzing continuous functions within metric spaces.
Lambda96
Messages
233
Reaction score
77
Homework Statement
Show that the mapping ##x \mapsto d(x,p)## is linear.
Relevant Equations
none
Hi,

The task is as follows
Bildschirmfoto 2024-05-18 um 18.49.02.png


For the proof I wanted to use the boundedness, in the script of my professor the following is given, since both ##(X,d)## and ##\mathbb{R}## are normalized vector spaces

Bildschirmfoto 2024-05-18 um 16.21.50.png

I have now proceeded as follows ##|d(x,p)| \le C |x|## according to Archimedes' principle, a number ##C## now exists, which ensures that the inequality is valid for all ##x##.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
##d(\cdot , p)## isn't linear.

Start with the definition of continuity. Use a function ##f## first, and substitute ##f(x)## with ##d(x,p)## afterwards. So: What does it mean, when a function ##f(x)## is continuous at ##x_0##?
 
  • Like
Likes docnet, dextercioby, FactChecker and 1 other person
fresh_42 said:
##d(\cdot , p)## isn't linear.

We are not even given that X is a vector space, so we don't have a concept of linearity.

@Lambda96: All you have available to you are the properties of an arbitrary metric and the definition of continuity with respect to that metric. Consider the triangle rule.
 
  • Like
Likes docnet, PeroK, FactChecker and 1 other person
Thank you fresh_42 and pasmith for your help 👍👍

The continuity of a function ##f## is defined as follows:

A function ##f## is called continuous at the point ##x_0## if for every ##\epsilon## there exists a ##\delta## such that for all ##x \in D_f## with ##|x-x_0| < \delta## : ##|f(x) - f(x_0)|< \epsilon## applies

Do you mean fresh_42 that I should now do the following?

$$|x-x_0| < \delta \rightarrow |d(x,p) - d(x_0,p)|< \epsilon$$

Then I should now determine the ##\delta##, right?
 
Lambda96 said:
Thank you fresh_42 and pasmith for your help 👍👍

The continuity of a function ##f## is defined as follows:

A function ##f## is called continuous at the point ##x_0## if for every ##\epsilon## there exists a ##\delta## such that for all ##x \in D_f## with ##|x-x_0| < \delta## : ##|f(x) - f(x_0)|< \epsilon## applies

Do you mean fresh_42 that I should now do the following?

$$|x-x_0| < \delta \rightarrow |d(x,p) - d(x_0,p)|< \epsilon$$

Then I should now determine the ##\delta##, right?

Yes, and yes. Use @pasmith's hint. The triangle inequality is basically all we have. Note that ##|x-x_0|=d(x,x_0).##
 
Last edited:
Thank you fresh_42 for your help 👍


The triangle inequality is as follows ##d(x,x_0) \le d(x,p) + d(p,x_0)##


With the triangle inequality you can then set up the two inequalities ## d(x,p) - d(p,x_0) \le d(x,x_0)## and ## d(p,x_0)- d(x,p) \le d(x,x_0)## from this then follows ##|d(x,p) - (p,x_0)| \le d(x,x_0)##

The following ##|d(x,p)- d(p,x_0)| < \epsilon## holds and because of ##|d(x,p) - (p,x_0)| \le d(x,x_0)## with ##|x-x_0|=d(x,x_0)## then ##\delta=\epsilon## follows
 
Lambda96 said:
Thank you fresh_42 for your help 👍


The triangle inequality is as follows ##d(x,x_0) \le d(x,p) + d(p,x_0)##


With the triangle inequality you can then set up the two inequalities ## d(x,p) - d(p,x_0) \le d(x,x_0)## and ## d(p,x_0)- d(x,p) \le d(x,x_0)## from this then follows ##|d(x,p) - (p,x_0)| \le d(x,x_0)##

The following ##|d(x,p)- d(p,x_0)| < \epsilon## holds and because of ##|d(x,p) - (p,x_0)| \le d(x,x_0)## with ##|x-x_0|=d(x,x_0)## then ##\delta=\epsilon## follows
I'll make this general comment for the last time. You are not thinking through these problems in terms of what you are trying to prove. Your work is superficial, IMO. It's not that you need detail, as such, but that you need to be much clearer about the steps required in the proof.

In this case, specifically, you didn't say that for a function to be continuous, we mean that it is continuous at every point ##x_0 \in X##. You might say you knew that. But, I'm not convinced that you recognised that.

So, your proof should start: "Let ##x_0 \in X## and ##\epsilon > 0##.

PS Having a coherent, logical structure to your proof is a good habit to get into.
 
Last edited:
  • Informative
  • Like
Likes Lambda96 and docnet
Thanks PeroK for the tip 👍

Unfortunately, I forgot to say in my calculation that I was only interested with the calculation of how to determine the ##\delta##. In my documents I have provided complete proof
 
In fact we have uniform continuity, since \delta = \epsilon works independently of x.