Controlling optical wavelength of illumination to improve reproduction rates in microorganisms

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the development of a device aimed at improving the reproduction rates of certain microorganisms through the control of optical wavelengths. Participants explore various materials and methods for achieving effective illumination, particularly focusing on the use of blue light and the challenges associated with converting other wavelengths.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using Neodymium-doped yttrium orthovanadate crystals to convert infrared light to green, expressing concerns about sustainability and cost.
  • Another participant clarifies that while down-conversion from UV to visible light is possible, up-conversion from infrared to visible light is not easily achievable.
  • It is noted that commercial LEDs typically have a spike at 400nm, and a radiometer could help assess the spectral power distribution before purchasing LEDs.
  • A participant questions whether the microorganisms in question are photosynthetic and requests more information about the specific species involved.
  • One suggestion involves using fluorescent materials to convert UV light to blue light, highlighting the challenge of directing scattered light effectively.
  • Another participant proposes purchasing LEDs with the appropriate wavelengths as a straightforward and cost-effective solution.
  • A later reply recommends demonstrating the concept with any available light source before seeking a more practical illumination method.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of ideas and suggestions, but there is no consensus on a single approach or solution. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best methods and materials for achieving the desired illumination.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations related to the intensity required for frequency doubling in nonlinear optics and the potential impracticality of certain illumination sources. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the specific requirements and characteristics of the microorganisms being studied.

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TL;DR
reproduction, optics, wavelengths, light, sustainability, material, chemistry, earth sciences, microorganisms
hello!
I am trying to make a device that will improve reproduction rates in certain microorganisms that I am studying. They reproduce fastest under shorter wavelengths, specifically best at blue light. Any ideas for devices or materials that could help out would be appreciated! An idea I had was to use crystals, specifically Neodymium-doped yttrium orthovanadate, which can split an infrared wavelength in half and make it green (i think). I can use the material under the sun to turn all the higher wavelengths into lower to preserve the same light energy, but convert it into lower wavelengths. Issues: not sustainable, probably expensive. Any other similar ideas or ways I can improve on my idea? thanks!
 
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metz said:
An idea I had was to use crystals, specifically Neodymium-doped yttrium orthovanadate, which can split an infrared wavelength in half and make it green (i think).
Infrared is the low-energy end of the spectrum, ultraviolet is the high-energy end. You can down-convert UV to visible light, but not easily up-convert IR to visible.
 
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metz said:
TL;DR Summary: reproduction, optics, wavelengths, light, sustainability, material, chemistry, earth sciences, microorganisms

hello!
I am trying to make a device that will improve reproduction rates in certain microorganisms that I am studying. They reproduce fastest under shorter wavelengths, specifically best at blue light. Any ideas for devices or materials that could help out would be appreciated! An idea I had was to use crystals, specifically Neodymium-doped yttrium orthovanadate, which can split an infrared wavelength in half and make it green (i think). I can use the material under the sun to turn all the higher wavelengths into lower to preserve the same light energy, but convert it into lower wavelengths. Issues: not sustainable, probably expensive. Any other similar ideas or ways I can improve on my idea? thanks!
Most commercial LEDs have a spike at 400nm. Do you have a radiometer you can borrow from the physics techs? If not you can check the technical spec sheet before you purchase and check the SPD. You will get low UV and dips in green and red but get your blue spike.
 
metz said:
TL;DR Summary: reproduction, optics, wavelengths, light, sustainability, material, chemistry, earth sciences, microorganisms

hello!
I am trying to make a device that will improve reproduction rates in certain microorganisms that I am studying. They reproduce fastest under shorter wavelengths, specifically best at blue light. Any ideas for devices or materials that could help out would be appreciated! An idea I had was to use crystals, specifically Neodymium-doped yttrium orthovanadate, which can split an infrared wavelength in half and make it green (i think). I can use the material under the sun to turn all the higher wavelengths into lower to preserve the same light energy, but convert it into lower wavelengths. Issues: not sustainable, probably expensive. Any other similar ideas or ways I can improve on my idea? thanks!
These are photosynthetic I take it? What species? @jim mcnamara and @BillTre for their reference.
 
metz said:
An idea I had was to use crystals, specifically Neodymium-doped yttrium orthovanadate, which can split an infrared wavelength in half and make it green (i think).
Frequency doubling with nonlinear optics requires very high intensity to have a significant effect, much more than your samples will tolerate.
 
You should be able to convert UV to blue, by using a florescent material.

One problem will be directing the scattered light produced, so that it falls where you can use it.
 
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I think the simplest solution would be just purchase some batches of LEDs with the appropriate wavelengths (and a driver circuit, of course).
led-colors-by-wavelength.jpg

It's not a continuous spectrum, but cheap and stable.
 
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Hi @metz. Out of curiosity, what is the size - e.g. Petri dish or large tank?
 
"They reproduce fastest under shorter wavelengths, specifically best at blue light."
can you share your data?
 
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Two factors at play here. May I suggest the you first demonstrate your concept by using whatever straightforward, perhaps impractical source of illumination you can find. Then, when you have done that and identified the illumination that you want, you can find and acquire the best way to produce the illumination you want in a practical manner.
 

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