Convention of order of operations

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The discussion centers around the PEMDAS order of operations convention in mathematics, exploring its significance and potential implications if an alternative convention were adopted. Participants consider how mathematical expressions and operations might change under different rules, as well as the historical context of such conventions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the significance of the PEMDAS convention and speculate on the implications of changing it, such as whether it would lead to fundamental changes in mathematics.
  • One participant suggests that while the current convention is convenient, switching to a different order of operations might not result in important changes, as long as expressions remain manageable.
  • A participant introduces the idea of reverse Polish notation (RPN) as an alternative, indicating a different way to structure mathematical expressions.
  • Another participant notes that RPN has not gained widespread acceptance despite its introduction decades ago.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of the PEMDAS convention and whether changing it would have substantial effects on mathematics. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

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Some participants reference past discussions on the topic, indicating a history of debate surrounding the order of operations and its implications.

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To what extent is the PEMDAS order of operations convention, and to what extent is this convention significant? For example, how would math change if we stipulated that ##1+2*3 = 3*3 = 9##? Would it be the same or would it be completely different?
 
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You'd have to write things differently; e.g. 1 + (2*3) = 1 + 6 = 7. I tend to think the present convention is convenient but I could well be biased. I can't see any fundamental changes happening if we switched to a different convention: important changes would only occur if some expressions became impossible or very awkward to write--or suddenly much easier--and I can't think of any that would be.

Of course, if we did switch, it would be like suddenly having to drive on the other side of the road and reading mathematics written before the change would be like reading a foreign language.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
To what extent is the PEMDAS order of operations convention, and to what extent is this convention significant? For example, how would math change if we stipulated that ##1+2*3 = 3*3 = 9##? Would it be the same or would it be completely different?
If you want to have a look what happened last time we discussed this ...
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/biggest-science-or-math-pet-peeve.885541/
(I don't remember where exactly in this thread PEDMAS started, but once it did, you barely couldn't get rid of it.)
 
Change to reverse Polish notation!

((1+2)*3 ⇒ 1⊥2+3*, 1 + (2*3) ⇒1⊥2⊥3*+) (the ⊥ sign is just used to indicate "enter")
 
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Cute. (But several decades after it was introduced on calculators, RPN doesn't seem to have really caught on for some reason.)
 

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