Convergence of Sequences and closed sets

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The discussion revolves around the concept of closed sets in metric spaces, specifically focusing on a theorem that relates the convergence of sequences within a subset and the inclusion of their limits in that subset.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the theorem, particularly the "if" portion regarding subsets containing convergent sequences and their limits. Questions arise about whether such subsets must necessarily be closed, with examples provided to illustrate potential misunderstandings.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the completeness of the theorem's conditions and clarifying the necessity of the "every" in the theorem's statement. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definition of closed sets and the nature of convergent sequences.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing exploration of definitions and properties related to open and closed sets, as well as the specific conditions under which a subset can contain convergent sequences without being closed.

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Homework Statement


This is the Theorem as stated in the book:
Let S be a subset of a metric space E. Then S is closed if and only if, whenever p1, p2, p3,... is a sequence of points of S that is convergent in E, we have:
lim(n->inf)pn is in S.


Homework Equations


From "introduction to Analysis" Rosenlicht, page 47.


The Attempt at a Solution


I understand the "only if" portion of this theorem, in that a closed subset implies the limit will lie in the subset. However, I'm missing something in the "if" portion, in that if a subset contains a convergent sequence and the limit is contained in the subset, then the subset must be closed. Maybe I am reading this wrong, but could it not be the case that a convergent sequence (and its limit) lie completely in an open subset. For example, the sequence 1/n^2 is contained completely in (-1,1), an open subset of the metric space R.

BTW... I've used the info in this forum for a long time... glad to finally be a part of it :)
 
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The statement asserts that whenever you have a convergent sequence of terms in A, the limit point for the sequence is also in A. One such sequence is not sufficient.
 
Does the statement not also imply that a subset containing a convergent sequence AND its limit must be a CLOSED subset in the metric space? This is the part I have a question about.

Why could a subset contain a convergent sequence and its limit, but be an OPEN subset?

Thanks in advanced for your help...
 
I assume your definition of a set S being closed is that it contains all of its limit points. So you are looking at the theorem that a set is closed if and only if the limit of any convergent sequence of points of S is itself in S. The "only if" part of this says:

If every converent sequence in S has its limit point in S, then S is closed. I think you are missing the "every". The problem with your example is there is a sequence in S that doesn't have the property: {1 - 1/n}, so the interval isn't closed.
 
I see! Quite an oversight on my part... thanks for the help!
 

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