Convergence of Series with Complex Numbers

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of series involving complex numbers, specifically examining the series \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-i)^{n} a_{n}\) and its relationship to the series \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{n} a_{n}\), where \(a_{n} > 0\). Participants explore various approaches to determine the convergence properties of these series, including the application of Abel's Test and the manipulation of series terms.

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  • Some participants propose that if \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-i)^{n} a_{n}\) converges, then the series \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{n} a_{n}\) might also converge, but the reasoning is not clear to all.
  • Others suggest breaking down the series into even and odd indexed terms to analyze convergence separately, leading to a complex representation of the series.
  • A participant questions the validity of adding the real and imaginary parts of the series, expressing uncertainty about the convergence of \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{n} a_{n}\) based on the convergence of the complex series.
  • Some participants reference Abel's Test, discussing conditions under which the series converges, including the behavior of the coefficients \(a_{n}\) as \(n\) approaches infinity.
  • A later reply introduces a specific example of \(a_n\) to illustrate that \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{n} a_{n}\) need not converge, despite the convergence of the complex series.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the convergence of \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-i)^{n} a_{n}\) for \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{n} a_{n}\). There is no consensus on whether the latter series must converge, with some arguing it can diverge under certain conditions.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include the dependence on the specific forms of \(a_{n}\) and the conditions under which the series are analyzed, which remain unresolved. The application of Abel's Test is contingent on the behavior of the coefficients, which is not fully explored in all cases.

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Let's take \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-i)^{n} a_{n}, which is convergent , a_{n} > 0. What can we say about the convergence of this one: \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{n} a_{n}? What can I do with it?
 
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I would try writing the known convergent series as a complex value in rectangular form where we know the two parameters must also be convergent.
 
Do you mean something like this \sum_{n=2k}^{\infty} (-i)^{2k} a_{2k}? Well, we could use \frac{1}{(2k)^{2}} instead of a_{2k}.
 
I meant to write:

$\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-i)^na_n=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{2n}+i\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{2n-1}=a+bi$

Therefore:

$\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{2n}+\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{2n-1}=a+b$

$\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{n}=a+b$
 
I am not so sure whether I got the idea. I divide the series into two parts. It's clear when I write its first terms. But then we take a+b - the imaginary and real part. On what basis can we add these two parts?

I guess the main idea is to show that the series \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{n} is a part of it so it must be convergent but I don't really see it.
 
If the given series converges to some complex value, i.e.,

$\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-i)^na_n=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{2n}+i\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{2n-1}=a+bi$

Then we must have:

$\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{2n}=a$

$\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{2n-1}=b$

and so:

$\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{2n}+\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{2n-1}=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{n}=a+b$
 
We can write the following ones as:

\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{2n}

-a_{1}+a_{3}-a_{5}+...

\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{2n-1}

-a_{2}+a_{4}-a_{6}+...

So we get:

-a_{1}-a_{2}+a_{3}+a_{4}-a_{5}-a_{6}+...

\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{n} the series differs a liitle bit.
 
Lisa91 said:
Let's take \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-i)^{n} a_{n}, which is convergent , a_{n} > 0. What can we say about the convergence of this one: \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{n} a_{n}? What can I do with it?

According to the so called 'Abel's Test' if for a complex sequence $a_{n}$ is $\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_{n}=0$ and the series...

$\displaystyle f(z)= \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_{n}\ z^{n}$ (1)

... converges when $|z|<1$ and diverges when $|z|>1$ and the coeffcints $a_{n}$ are positive real numbers monotonically tending to 0, then f(z) converges everywhere on the unit circle except in z=1. Are You in such conditions?... Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
According to the so called 'Abel's Test' if for a complex sequence $a_{n}$ is $\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_{n}=0$ and the series...

$\displaystyle f(z)= \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_{n}\ z^{n}$ (1)

... converges when $|z|<1$ and diverges when $|z|>1$ and the coeffcints $a_{n}$ are positive real numbers monotonically tending to 0, then f(z) converges everywhere on the unit circle except in z=1. Are You in such conditions?... Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$

|z|= |0^{2}+(-1)^{2}| = |1| so according to the rule we don't know whether it is convergent or not...
 
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Lisa91 said:
|z|= |0^{2}+(-1)^{2}| = |1| so according to the rule we don't know whether it is convergent or not...

If You consider the series...

$\displaystyle \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_{n}\ z^{n}$ (1)

... You know that it converges for $z=-i$. That implies that, because $(-i)^{n}$ doesn't tend to 0 with n, is $\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_{n}=0$. You know also that for all n is $a_{n}>0$. Two of the requirement of the Abel criterion are satisfied, so that You can [preliminary...] conclude that the series converges on all the unit circle with the exception of z=1 [so that it converges for z=-1...] if for all n 'large enough' is $a_{n+1}<a_{n}$. Now we have to analyse if the last limitation can be in some way overcomed... Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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Lisa91 said:
We can write the following ones as:

\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{2n}

-a_{1}+a_{3}-a_{5}+...

\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{2n-1}

-a_{2}+a_{4}-a_{6}+...

So we get:

-a_{1}-a_{2}+a_{3}+a_{4}-a_{5}-a_{6}+...

\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^na_{n} the series differs a liitle bit.

You're absolutely right; what I suggested doesn't work. (Drunk)
 
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Lisa91 said:
Let's take \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-i)^{n} a_{n}, which is convergent , a_{n} &gt; 0. What can we say about the convergence of this one: \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{n} a_{n}? What can I do with it?
Under those conditions, the series $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{n} a_{n}$ need not converge. Suppose for example that $a_n = \begin{cases} 1/n^2 & (n \text{ odd}) \\ 1/n & (n \text{ even}) \end{cases}$. Then $$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-i)^{n} a_{n} = \biggl(i\sum_1^\infty \frac{(-1)^n}{(2n-1)^2}\biggr) + \biggl(\sum_1^\infty \frac{(-1)^n}{2n}\biggr),$$ and both of the bracketed series converge. But $$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{n} a_{n} = -1+\frac12 -\frac1{3^2} + \frac14 -\frac1{5^2} + \frac16 - \ldots\,.$$ In that series, the negative terms form a convergent series, but the positive terms form a divergent series, and so the whole series must diverge.
 

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