Analyzing the Convergence of a Geometric Series

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the series ##\displaystyle \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{2^{n+1}(n+1)}## and its analytical evaluation, particularly in relation to the logarithm function. Participants explore various methods to express the logarithm as a series and investigate the implications of differentiating the series.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that WolframAlpha indicates the series converges to ##\log(2)## and question how to derive this analytically.
  • There is a suggestion to express the logarithm using its series representation, with participants discussing different series expansions.
  • One participant proposes differentiating the series to explore its properties and relationships to the logarithm.
  • Another participant mentions the challenge of determining the constant of integration when expressing the sum as ##S(p) = \log p + C##.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of integrating the series and whether the constant of integration can be determined from the original series.
  • There is a mention of a potential sign error in the evaluation of ##S(1/2)## leading to ##-\log(2)##.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding in basic calculus related to the differentiation of the series.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and approaches to analyze the series, but there is no consensus on the best method or the implications of the constant of integration. Disagreements arise regarding the sign of the logarithmic evaluation and the interpretation of differentiation effects.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of initial conditions and the potential loss of information during differentiation, but these aspects remain unresolved in the discussion.

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I have the following series that I came up with in doing a problem: ##\displaystyle \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{2^{n+1}(n+1)}##. I looked at WolframAlpha and it says that this series converges to ##\log (2)##. Is it possible to figure this out analytically?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
I have the following series that I came up with in doing a problem: ##\displaystyle \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{2^{n+1}(n+1)}##. I looked at WolframAlpha and it says that this series converges to ##\log (2)##. Is it possible to figure this out analytically?
As the result involves the logarithm, we first have to find a way to express the logarithm by a series. Which one do you chose? If you define the logarithm otherwise, there will probably a bit more work to do.
 
fresh_42 said:
As the result involves the logarithm, we first have to find a way to express the logarithm by a series. Which one do you chose? If you define the logarithm otherwise, there will probably a bit more work to do.
Well, suppose that I had no idea that the answer turned out to be ##\log 2##. Would there be any way for me to proceed?
 
Pattern recognition and a slightly more general problem:

use ## p \in (0,1)## instead of ##\frac{1}{2}##

what happens if you differentiate the series?
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Well, suppose that I had no idea that the answer turned out to be ##\log 2##. Would there be any way for me to proceed?
The easiest way is to consider ##\log(1+x)=-\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}\dfrac{(-x)^{k+1}}{k+1}## which is the power series expansion at ##x=0## for ##-1< x \le 1\,.## Then simply take ##x=-\frac{1}{2}\,.## But I think it's fun (and a good exercise) to consider the other proposed ways above, esp. what @StoneTemplePython suggested: differentiate ##f(p)=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}\dfrac{p^{k+1}}{k+1}##.
 
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StoneTemplePython said:
Pattern recognition and a slightly more general problem:

use ## p \in (0,1)## instead of ##\frac{1}{2}##

what happens if you differentiate the series?
That's neat... So if I let ##S## be the desired sum, I found that ##S(p) = \log p + C##. How would I find the constant of integration? I don't know of any initial conditions where ##0 < p < 1##.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
That's neat... So if I let ##S## be the desired sum, I found that ##S(p) = \log p + C##. How would I find the constant of integration? I don't know of any initial conditions where ##0 < p < 1##.

actually you do know the initial conditions are

##
\displaystyle \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{p^{n+1}}{(n+1)}
##

so when you have

##\frac{1}{1-p} = 1 + p + p^2 + p^3 + ... ##

you then integrate both sides... ignoring the constant of integration for a moment, does the term by term integration of the Right hand side match with your original series? If so, the Left hand side does too -- this allows you to "zero in" on the constant of integration.

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edit: another simpler thing to notice is that every term in your original series has a ##p## there are no constants...

another edit: changed the original series to make sure the ##p## is in the numerator!
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
That's neat... So if I let ##S## be the desired sum, I found that ##S(p) = \log p + C##. How would I find the constant of integration? I don't know of any initial conditions where ##0 < p < 1##.
What is ##\sum q^k## for ##0<q<1\,##?
 
StoneTemplePython said:
actually you do know the initial conditions are

##
\displaystyle \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{p^{n+1}(n+1)}
##

so when you have

##\frac{1}{1-p} = 1 + p + p^2 + p^3 + ... ##

you then integrate both sides... ignoring the constant of integration for a moment, does the term by term integration of the Right hand side match with your original series? If so, the Left hand side does too -- this allows you to "zero in" on the constant of integration.

- - - -
edit: another simpler thing to notice is that every term in your original series has a ##p## there are no constants...
So are you saying that the constant of integration is 0?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
So are you saying that the constant of integration is 0?

You tell me. When you applied the derivative operator to your original series, did any term get mapped to zero? That is the information loss associated with basic differentiation. So what kind of information was lost here?
 
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StoneTemplePython said:
You tell me. When you applied the derivative operator to your original series, did any term get mapped to zero? That is the information loss associated with basic differentiation. So what kind of information was lost here?
I would suppose none... But if ##S(p) = \log p## then ##S(1/2) = -\log 2## which has a sign error
 

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