Convergence of this Laplace transformation

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the Laplace transformation of the function f(t) = e^(-t) * sin(t). Participants explore the implications of evaluating the Laplace transform at specific values of s, particularly s = -1, and the conditions under which the integral converges.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the Laplace transform X(s) = 1 / (1 + (1 + s)^2) and evaluates it at s = -1, concluding X(-1) = 1 based on this formula.
  • Another participant points out that the integral ∫_0^∞ sin(t)e^{-(1+s)t} dt converges only when Re(1 + s) > 0, indicating that s = -1 is outside this region.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of analytically continuing the result from the region where the integral converges into the rest of the s-plane, except at specific poles.
  • Participants express confusion regarding the apparent contradiction between the calculated value of X(s) at s = -1 and the behavior of the integral at that point, noting that the integral diverges.
  • One participant mentions that many functions, including Laplace transforms, can be defined in a limited region and then extended through analytic continuation, highlighting the distinction between the functions defined on different domains.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus regarding the evaluation of the Laplace transform at s = -1, with some asserting that the integral diverges while others maintain that the formula yields a valid result. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the convergence of the integral and the definitions of the functions involved. The discussion highlights the complexity of analytic continuation and the conditions under which the Laplace transform is defined.

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I have a f(t) that is, e^(-t) *sin(t), now I calculate the Laplace transformation, that is:
X(s) = 1 / ( 1 + ( 1 + s)^2 ) (excuse me but Latex seems not run ).
Now I imagine the plane with Re(s), Im(s) and the magnitude of X(s).

If i take Re(s) = -1 and Im(s) = 0, I believe I have X(s) = 1 ( s = -1, so from the formula X(s) = 1) and this seem correctly according to a graph that I see online.

But if I put Re(s) = -1 and Im(s) = 0 in the integral, and I calculate it directly, I should get the same result...(?) but In that case is only the integral of sin(t) from 0 to infty that is not 1 absolutely.

What is wrong?

thanks
 
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The integral \int_0^\infty \sin t\,e^{-(1+s)t}\,dt converges only when \operatorname{Re}(1 + s) > 0. s = -1 is not in this region.

You can, of course, analytically continue the result you get in \operatorname{Re}(1 + s) > 0 into the rest of the s-plane (except the poles at s = -1 \pm i).

LaTeX is enabled; but it often doesn't render when you make your first post in a forum.
 
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pasmith said:
The integral \int_0^\infty \sin t\,e^{-(1+s)t}\,dt converges only when \operatorname{Re}(1 + s) > 0. s = -1 is not in this region.

You can, of course, analytically continue the result you get in \operatorname{Re}(1 + s) > 0 into the rest of the s-plane (except the poles at s = -1 \pm i).

LaTeX is enabled; but it often doesn't render when you make your first post in a forum.
Ok, maybe my question was misunderstood, but ##X(s) = \frac{1}{1 + (1+s)^2}##, so for s = -1, I have X(s) = 1;
but ##\int_{0}^{\infty} sin(t) dt## ,that is for s = -1, is indefinite.
And also the graphics solution, looks like X(s) = 1 for s = -1.
 
lukka98 said:
Ok, maybe my question was misunderstood, but ##X(s) = \frac{1}{1 + (1+s)^2}##, so for s = -1, I have X(s) = 1;
but ##\int_{0}^{\infty} sin(t) dt## ,that is for s = -1, is indefinite.
And also the graphics solution, looks like X(s) = 1 for s = -1.

Yes.

There are many functions, such as the Gamma function, which are initially defined by an integral representation valid only in a subset of \mathbb{C} but are then extended to a larger subset of \mathbb{C} by analytic continuation. Laplace transforms often also fall into this category.

One can define a function F : D \to \mathbb{C}: s \mapsto \int_0^\infty f(t)e^{-st}\,dt where D \subset \mathbb{C} is the region where the integral converges. If D satisfies certain conditions then there exists a unique G, defined on as much of \mathbb{C} as possible, such that G(s) = F(s) for every s \in D.

Now F and G are distinct functions because they have different domains, and we commonly define the Laplace transform of f as F when really we mean G: Inverting the transform requires integration over a contour which is almost certainly not contained in D, and if we have a formula for F(s) then it almost certainly makes sense for values of s \notin D. But we must remember that if s \notin D then <br /> G(s) \neq \int_0^\infty f(t)e^{-st}\,dt.
 
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