Convergence problem (nth-term test)

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the series defined by the terms (n/(3n+1))^n as n approaches infinity. Participants are exploring the application of the nth-term test and the comparison test in determining the behavior of this series.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to apply the nth-term test and l'Hopital's rule to analyze the limit of the terms. There is confusion regarding the conditions under which l'Hopital's rule can be applied, particularly in relation to the forms of the limits involved.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the nth-term test, with participants recognizing that if the terms do not approach zero, the series must diverge. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conditions for applying l'Hopital's rule, but no consensus has been reached on the correct application in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the series converges according to the book's solution, yet there is uncertainty about the application of the nth-term test leading to a potential contradiction. The discussion reflects a need for clarity on the assumptions and definitions involved in the convergence tests being applied.

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Show that the sum of (n/(3n+1))n from n=1 to ∞ converges.

The book solves this with a comparison test to (1/3)n, but I'm making a mistake with an n-th term test somewhere.

an = (n/(3n+1))n
Take ln of both sides, then use n = 1/(1/n) to setup for l'Hopital's rule.
ln an = ln(n/(3n+1)) / (1/n)
l'Hop
ln an = -n/(3n+1)
l'Hop
ln an = -1/3
raise both sides
an = e(-1/3)

Which would mean divergence, right? Since the nth term does not equal 0?

But this problem converges
 
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tolove said:
Show that the sum of (n/(3n+1))n from n=1 to ∞ converges.

The book solves this with a comparison test to (1/3)n, but I'm making a mistake with an n-th term test somewhere.

an = (n/(3n+1))n
Take ln of both sides, then use n = 1/(1/n) to setup for l'Hopital's rule.
ln an = ln(n/(3n+1)) / (1/n)
l'Hop
But that is neither an ##\frac\infty \infty## or ##\frac 0 0## form.
 
LCKurtz said:
But that is neither an ##\frac\infty \infty## or ##\frac 0 0## form.

Ohh, ok

1) If \sum an converges, then an → 0

2) \sum an may or may not converge if an → c, c being any real number.

3) If an as n → ∞ fails to exist, then \sum an diverges.

e: thank you very much, this was driving me nuts
 
tolove said:
Ohh, ok

1) If \sum an converges, then an → 0

2) \sum an may or may not converge if an → c, c being any real number.

If ##a_n## does anything but converge to 0, the series diverges. If it does converge to zero, the series may or may not converge. That's all there is to it.
 
LCKurtz said:
If ##a_n## does anything but converge to 0, the series diverges. If it does converge to zero, the series may or may not converge. That's all there is to it.

Double thanks, my mistake is with l'Hopital's rule.

f(a) = g(a) = 0 as the limit of n → a must be true.
The top function:
ln(n/(3n+1))
does not go to 0 as n → infinity, so l'Hopital's rule cannot be applied.
 

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