Convergence Test: \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{n}n}{n^{2}+25}

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the series \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{n}n}{n^{2}+25}\), with participants exploring various convergence tests, particularly the Ratio Test and the Alternating Series Test.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the Ratio Test, noting its inconclusiveness for this series. Some suggest considering the Alternating Series Test as an alternative approach. There is also a debate about the applicability of the Ratio Test to series with non-positive terms.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions regarding the tests being applied. Some have offered clarifications about the conditions under which the Ratio Test can be used, while others are exploring the implications of applying different tests to the series.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the conditions for applying the Ratio Test, particularly in relation to series with non-positive terms. Participants are reflecting on their understanding of convergence tests and their appropriate contexts.

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\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{n}n}{n^{2}+25}

Ratio Test

\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}|\frac{(-1)^{n+1}(n+1)(n^{2}+25)}{[(n+1)^{2}+25](-1)^{n}n}|

\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}|\frac{n^{3}+n^{2}+25n+25}{ n^{3}+2n^{2}+26n}|=1

Thus, the Ratio Test is inconclusive. So what should my next step be, or other suggestions? Hmm ...

Thanks!
 
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How about an alternating series check?
 
In fact, since that is NOT a series of positive numbers, the ratio test doesn't apply anyway!
 
HallsofIvy said:
In fact, since that is NOT a series of positive numbers, the ratio test doesn't apply anyway!

Just because contains non-positive terms does not mean one cannot apply the ratio test, since it compares the ratio of the absolute value of a_{n+1} and a_n. His first attempt is fine; he just happened to have a series for which the ratio test is inconclusive.
 
rs1n said:
Just because contains non-positive terms does not mean one cannot apply the ratio test, since it compares the ratio of the absolute value of a_{n+1} and a_n. His first attempt is fine; he just happened to have a series for which the ratio test is inconclusive.


Then can u show us a proof that shows that the ratio test is consistent and applies even when a series contains non-positive terms??
 
sutupidmath said:
Then can u show us a proof that shows that the ratio test is consistent and applies even when a series contains non-positive terms??
I suppose you believe the ratio test holds for series whose terms are nonnegative. Suppose then we apply it to the series \sum |a_n|: If \lim |a_{n+1}|/|a_n| < 1, then \sum |a_n| converges. But this in turn implies that \sum a_n converges. This follows from the completeness of the real numbers, i.e. that every cauchy sequence of reals convereges.

To see this, let S_n = a_1 + a_2 + ... + a_n. Then for n \geq m,
|S_n - S_m| = |a_{m+1} + ... + a_n| \leq |a_{m+1}| + ... + |a_n|

If \sum |a_n| converges, we can make the term on the right as small as we want. So (S_n)_n is cauchy, and consequently \sum a_n = \lim S_n < \infty.
 
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I agree that what I said at first was misleading, possibly just completely wrong!

Of course, if the ratio test, applied to |an| showed that it converged, that would show that the series is absolutely convergent which immediately implies that the series is convergent.

If the ratio test does not work, if the limit of the ratio is 1 or even greater than 1, it is still possible that the original series converges. As Dick said originally, it is far better to apply the "alternating series test" here. If |an| is decreasing, then the series converges.
 
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morphism said:
I suppose you believe the ratio test holds for series whose terms are nonnegative. Suppose then we apply it to the series \sum |a_n|: If \lim |a_{n+1}|/|a_n| < 1, then \sum |a_n| converges. But this in turn implies that \sum a_n converges. This follows from the completeness of the real numbers, i.e. that every cauchy sequence of reals convereges.

To see this, let S_n = a_1 + a_2 + ... + a_n. Then for n \geq m,
|S_n - S_m| = |a_{m+1} + ... + a_n| \leq |a_{m+1}| + ... + |a_n|

If \sum |a_n| converges, we can make the term on the right as small as we want. So (S_n)_n is cauchy, and consequently \sum a_n = \lim S_n < \infty.

OOh yeah, i forgot all about that. I just did not reflect on this at all. I've got to whatch my mouth next time.
 

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