Converging Function Homework: Determine Limit (1/2)

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The discussion revolves around determining the convergence of the series \(\sum \frac{n!}{(n+2)!}\) and finding its limit if it converges. The subject area includes series convergence and factorial manipulation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore simplifications of the factorial expression and discuss the implications of convergence tests. Questions arise regarding the validity of using factorial properties and the application of convergence tests like the integral test and limit comparison test.

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Participants are actively engaging with various approaches to analyze the series. Some have suggested using partial fractions and the integral test, while others have raised concerns about the adequacy of initial reasoning for convergence. There is ongoing exploration of different methods without a clear consensus on the final outcome.

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There is mention of the original poster's uncertainty with factorials and convergence tests, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge that may affect the discussion.

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Homework Statement



determine whether [tex]\sum[/tex] n! / (n+2)! converges or diverges. if it converges, give the limit.


The Attempt at a Solution



i can see that this converges and the limit is 1/2

but i don't know how to mathematically show it... how can i factorise out the 1/2? so i have 1/2!*n!/n! which would give 1/2!*1=1/2

because n! / (n+2)! is not equal to n!/ (n!+2!)...
 
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Do you mean

1. [tex]\sum\frac{n!}{(n+2)!}[/tex] or

2. [tex]\frac{\sum n!}{(n+2)!}[/tex]

?

If #1, can't you simplify [tex]\frac{n!}{(n+2)!}=\frac{1}{(n+2)(n+1)}[/tex] ?
 
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the first one.

and i dunno, can you do that? I've never done any work with factorials. i had to google what they were!
 
ProPatto16 said:
the first one.

and i dunno, can you do that? I've never done any work with factorials. i had to google what they were!
Of course you can do that, based on how factorials are defined, usually something like this:
0! = 1
n! = n * (n - 1)!

So (n + 2)! = (n + 2) * (n + 1)! = (n + 2)(n + 1)*n!
 
" So (n + 2)! = (n + 2) * (n + 1)! = (n + 2)(n + 1)*n! "

so then 1 / (n + 2)(n + 1) * n!/n!
= 1 / (n+2)(n+1)

= 1 / (n2 + 3n +2)
now it looks like as n gets large, the limit is 0..
 
Yes, but that tells you exactly nothing. If you have a series [tex]\sum_{i = 1}^\infty}a_n[/tex] and [tex]\lim_{n \to \infty}a_n = 0[/tex], the series could converge or it could diverge.

Do you know any convergence tests you can use?
 
ratio and comparison testing would only prove convergence, without giving the limit.

integral test could work... let f(x) = 1/(n2+3n+2)

[tex]\int[/tex] f(x).dx with upper bound infinity (let that be a letter, say b) and lower bound 1. then take the definite integral and evaluate the limit as b gets large.
 
and that integral is = log(x+1) - log(x+2)
= log[(x+1)/(x+2)]

am i goin the right direction? i don't know where to go from there..
 
The problem first asks you whether the series converges or diverges. Have you come up with a good reason for thinking that this series converges. "I can see that it converges" is not a good reason.

The integral test tells you only that a series converges or diverges. It doesn't give you the sum of a convergent series.

Hint: partial fractions...
 
  • #10
use the limit comparison test, with bn = 1/n2... this will show it converges.
 
  • #11
but then I am still not sure how to evaluate the limit to show the limit of convergence... if i multiply through by 1/n i end up with 0 as the numerator as n gets large, so that doesn't work. i don't know how else to go about it. bit dense when it comes to these.
 
  • #12
Follow through on Mark44's hint about partial fractions. Use partial fractions to write the partial sums as a difference between two terms. You will find some cancellations.
 
  • #13
like this...

1/((n+1)(n+2))
by decompostion becomes 1/(n+1) - 1/(n+2)

so (1/2-1/3)+(1/3-1/4)+(1/4-1/5)+...(1/(n+1)-1/(n+2))

= 1/2 - 1/(n+2)

as n gets large, 1/(n+2) becomes 0 so:

= 1/2-0
=1/2

there.
 
  • #14
That's the basic idea, yes. Here's what the cleaned-up version looks like, using partial sums.

[tex]S_n = \sum_{k = 1}^n \frac{1}{(k + 1)(k + 2)} = \sum_{k = 1}^n \left(\frac{1}{k + 1} - \frac{1}{k + 2} \right) = \frac{1}{2} - \frac{1}{n + 2}[/tex]
[tex]\lim_{n \to \infty} S_n = \frac{1}{2}[/tex]
 
  • #15
yeahh I am not the best at using the functions and stuff on here haha. thanks for the help though!
 

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