Conversion of Electrons into Neutrons

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the question of whether electrons can be converted into neutrons. Participants explore various theoretical frameworks, reactions, and implications related to this concept, including aspects of particle physics and decay processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the standard model of particle physics does not allow for the conversion of electrons into neutrons, as electrons are fundamental particles while neutrons are made of quarks.
  • One participant mentions that string theory might provide a conceptual approach, but acknowledges the uncertainty surrounding the nature of particles as strings and their vibrational patterns.
  • Atomic electron capture is discussed as a process where a proton captures an electron and converts into a neutron, emitting an anti-neutrino, though this does not represent a direct conversion of an electron into a neutron.
  • Several participants assert that converting electrons into neutrons would violate conservation laws, specifically the conservation of electric charge and baryon number.
  • Another participant describes a scenario where high-energy electrons can lead to the emission of neutrons when interacting with materials like stainless steel, indicating a complex interaction rather than a direct conversion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the possibility of converting electrons into neutrons, with some asserting it is impossible due to conservation laws, while others discuss related processes that involve electrons and neutrons without reaching a consensus on the original question.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific definitions and assumptions about particle interactions and conservation laws, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Hi Members,

Can electrons be converted into neutrons? I read it somewhere and not sure about it!
 
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Maybe, but we sure don't know how. The standard model of particle physics does not allow for such a conversion. An electron is a fundamental particle; neutrons are composed of other fundamental particles, quarks.

String theory might offer a conceptual approach but nobody knows if particles are REALLY strings, and nobody knows if the vibrational pattern of a string can be modified to "create" another matter particle...
 
EinsteinII said:
Hi Members,

Can electrons be converted into neutrons? I read it somewhere and not sure about it!

No,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 
I got it from Wikipedia while i was reading about Betatron...
 
The closest any reaction gets to converting electrons into neutrons is atomic electron capture by a radioactive nucleus. In this reaction, a proton in the nucleus captures an atomic electron from the atomic K shell, converts to a neutron, and emits an anti-neutrino. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture
Bob S
 
Bob S said:
The closest any reaction gets to converting electrons into neutrons is atomic electron capture by a radioactive nucleus. In this reaction, a proton in the nucleus captures an atomic electron from the atomic K shell, converts to a neutron, and emits an anti-neutrino. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture
Bob S

Little too complex for me at this time as i studied about shells long back(11 years ago). Please suggest further reading that will help me to understand the very basics of particle behavior.
 
EinsteinII said:
Hi Members,

Can electrons be converted into neutrons? I read it somewhere and not sure about it!

No. Absolutely not. This would violate the conservation of electric charge.
 
Parlyne said:
No. Absolutely not. This would violate the conservation of electric charge.
And violation of barion number.
 
A neutron will naturally decay (~ 10 minute half-life) into a proton and an electron (and some neutrino). Reverse the process and viola!

Or, if you have some electrons with energies > 17 MeV or so, if they hit stainless steel (for example), neutrons will be emitted. It's probably a case where the electron creates a shower of stuff, including gammas, the gamma is absorbed in one of the atoms of SS, and a neutron is emitted. This is why hospitals that do radiation therapy keep the high-voltage on the x-ray machines below 17 MeV.

The neutrons are more dangerous than the x-rays since they cannot be easily shielded and the biological damage from them is higher than for photons.
 

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