Conversion of Piezoelectric coefficients

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The discussion revolves around the conversion of piezoelectric coefficients from double index notation to triple index notation, specifically for simulating the converse piezoelectric effect in materials. Participants are exploring the correct placement of values in the conversion process and seeking clarification on the notation used in various commercial software.

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  • One participant, Kai, presents a specific conversion from double index notation to triple index notation and asks for feedback on the correctness of their approach and value placements.
  • Another participant suggests a mapping of index pairs and mentions factors of two that may influence the conversion, indicating a more complex relationship between the indices.
  • Kai expresses gratitude for the response and indicates a willingness to revisit the provided resources for further understanding.
  • A different participant shares a resource from Piezo Systems that may contain useful visual aids related to the topic.

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The discussion contains multiple viewpoints regarding the conversion process, and no consensus has been reached on the correctness of Kai's conversion or the implications of the index mapping provided by the other participant.

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Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical relationships involved in the conversion, and there are indications of missing assumptions or complexities in the notation that may affect the conversion accuracy.

John Kai
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Hello everyone,

I am interested on simulating the converse Piezoelectric effect of materials and I have given the mechanical (Youngs modulus and Poissoin's ratio) and electric material properties (Electric Permittivity, Piezoelectric coupling matrix etc). However from the literature I got double index notation, I am struggling to convert double index notation to triple index notation.

The double index notation from literature is as follows:

Double index notation

d11 d12 d13 d14 d15 d16 -------------- 0 0 0 0 21.3 0

d21 d22 d23 d24 d25 d26 -------------- 0 0 0 21.3 0 0

d31 d32 d33 d34 d35 d36 -------------- -2.6 -2.69 3.65 0 0 0

Triple index notation:
I would like to convert them to Triple index notation used by some commercial software providers like Abaqus and MSC Marc etc and is written as follows:

d11_1 d11_2 d11_3 -------------- 0 0 -2.6

d22_1 d22_2 d22_3 -------------- 0 0 -2.6

d33_1 d33_2 d33_3 -------------- 0 0 3.65

d12_1 d12_2 d12_3 -------------- 0 21.3 0

d23_1 d23_2 d23_3 -------------- 21.3 0 0

d31_1 d31_2 d31_3 -------------- 0 0 0

Am I doing the conversion correctly? Are the values placed in correct positions?
Double Index = Triple Index = Coupling Matrix Value
d11 = d11_1 =0
d21 = d11_2 = 0
d31 = d11_3 = -2.6
d12 = d22_1 = 0
d22 = d22_2 = 0
d32 = d22_3 = -2.6
.
...
...

d16 = d31_1 = 0
d26 = d31_2 = 0
d36 = d31_3 = 0

I am new to this filed and its kind of a big deal for me to understand all these conversions. Your feedback will be highly appreciated.
Kai
 
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I think the index pairs are

##(1,1) = 1##
##(2,2) = 2##
##(3,3) = 3##
##(2,3) = (3,2) = 4##
##(1,3) = 5##
##(1,2) = (2,1) = 6##

There are factors of two thrown in so that

##C_{nmjk}S_{jk} = C_{ab}S_b##

things like

## S_{1,2} = \frac{1}{2} S_3##

when the dust clears. ##n, m, j, k## summed over 1 - 3 and ##a, b## summed 1-6.
This may help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectricity
 
Dear Paul Colby,

I thnak you very much for your quick reply and explanation. I have already read the Wikipedia page briefly and will go through it again.
Thanks again!
 
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This Piezo Systems site has some great images that may interest you.

e.g.
tech2intropiezotrans13.gif
 

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