Converting energy into torsional spring displacement

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between energy stored in a rotating shaft and its dissipation through a torsional spring. Participants explore the design of a torsional spring that can effectively manage the energy transfer from the shaft, focusing on parameters such as energy (E), shaft diameter (D), and spring capacity (T). The conversation includes considerations of efficiency and the mathematical relationships involved in torsional spring mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario involving energy dissipation through a torsional spring connected to a rotating shaft, specifying constraints on the spring's inner and outer diameters.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether the spring is wound around the shaft and if energy dissipation occurs through friction during engagement.
  • A participant provides the equation for potential energy in a torsion spring, suggesting that the participant may need additional resources for spring design.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the relationship between the spring constant (k), energy (E), and angular displacement (θ), with a focus on deriving k in terms of D and E.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the original question, indicating a lack of clarity in the problem statement.
  • A participant mentions having a specific amount of kinetic energy in the shaft and emphasizes the importance of calculating θ in relation to k and E.
  • Another participant reiterates the equation relating energy, k, and θ, suggesting that a value for either k or θ must be chosen for calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and clarity regarding the problem. While some provide mathematical insights and equations, others question the formulation of the original question, indicating a lack of consensus on the problem's clarity and approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of designing the spring and the challenges in determining appropriate values for the spring constant and angular displacement. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the efficiency of energy transfer and the specific parameters needed for calculations.

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Hello, I'm trying to figure out a general physics problem here and I'm trying to relate energy held in a rotating shaft to be dissipated by a torsional spring. Let's say I have energy E (Joules), shaft outer diameter D, and torsional spring capacity T.

T is what I'm designing for with all properties relatively open, subject only to the constraint of the spring's ID (fully loaded) never less than D and it's OD (unloaded) never greater than 4D. Wire thickness, leg length, and number of active legs are all "change as needed." Assume that the shaft dissipates the energy directly in torsion through a 100% efficient clutch.

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I'm looking for guidance on how to design the spring for this layout. I would like to be able to design it in terms of rotational deflection of the spring.
 
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Are you describing a shaft with a spring wound around it in such a way that the rubbing action between shaft and spring (a) partially winds up the spring (b) dissipates energy by friction ?
 
The equation for the potential energy stored in a torsion spring is similar to that for a linear spring... PE = 0.5kθ2 where k has the units NmRad-1 and θ is in the displacement in Radians.

Unfortunately I can't help design the spring. I think you may need a book on torsion spring design. Google can find spring manufacturers that have some info and calculators that might do the job...

http://www.springsandthings.com/pdf/torsion-springs.pdf
and
http://www.acxesspring.com/torsion-spring-calculator-instructions.html
 
Nidum said:
Are you describing a shaft with a spring wound around it in such a way that the rubbing action between shaft and spring (a) partially winds up the spring (b) dissipates energy by friction ?
Assume that when the energy-filled shaft engages the spring, energy transfer is 100% and the spring has enough capacity to safely take that energy.

The equation for the potential energy stored in a torsion spring is similar to that for a linear spring... PE = 0.5kθ2 where k has the units NmRad-1 and θ is in the displacement in Radians.
I understand I need to design for k, but I'm looking for a way to basically get k in terms of D and E, if that's even possible (or useful). I've used the acxess spring calculator and played around with the variables but it's really tough to get the displacement I need without doing weird variables. Basically too many dials to turn with no reasonable first guesses at parameters.
 
Sorry but question does not make any sense .
 
I have kinetic energy that has been put into the shaft, say 1000 n*m worth. It spins freely with this energy until a clutch engages it with the spring (and it's shaft). The transfer mechanism isn't important for this conversation. When the spring is engaged, it has characteristic k and deflects θ. Theta is my most important variable and I would like to know how to maybe set up a spreadsheet that calculates theta in terms of k(and its variables), as well as E.
 
I gave you the equation that relates energy, k and theta. You will have to pick a value for either k or theta. Perhaps try picking a small value for theta like 1 rad?
 

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