Converting Pipe Displacement into forces on a Bend

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenge of converting pipe displacement into forces acting on a specific point in a steel piping system, particularly in the context of gas distribution systems. Participants explore the relationship between thermal expansion, displacement, and the resulting stresses in the pipework, with a focus on both theoretical and practical implications for design and safety.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Kev, outlines the need to calculate stress at a point in a steel pipe due to thermal expansion and displacement, noting the complexity of the relationship between displacement, pipe length, and material flexibility.
  • Another participant suggests that the design goal should be to restrain the pipe minimally, allowing it to expand and contract freely, and provides a step-by-step method for calculating forces at constraints based on temperature changes.
  • A third participant agrees with the previous response and proposes simplifying the problem by treating the 3/4" pipe as a cantilever beam to calculate the force needed for the specified displacement.
  • A fourth participant adds complexity by noting that the 2" pipe's resistance to bending will exert stress on the 3/4" pipe, recommending a cantilevered beam model for calculations that considers the elbow as a guiding point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing approaches to calculating the forces and stresses involved, with no consensus on a single method. Some advocate for treating the 3/4" pipe as a cantilever, while others emphasize the importance of considering the 2" pipe's bending resistance.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for specific material properties, such as the Modulus of Elasticity, and the implications of pipe configuration on stress calculations, indicating that assumptions about material behavior and pipe support conditions are critical to the discussion.

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Hi there,

I am by no means a mathematician, I am currently working on a project to improve the safety of gas distribution systems in multi occupancy developments. I am hitting a bit of a wall regarding converting displacement onto force.

I am trying to calculate the stress applied to a point in a section of steel pipe work (point A on the sketch attached).

I can calculate the thermal expansion of the vertical 2” steel pipe and the total displacement (6.6mm).

Unless I’m wrong, the force on point A is dependent on the amount of displacement on the 2” steel (6.6mm 2” steel pipe), length of the off take (640mm of 3/4 steel pipe) and the flexibility of the material being used.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Kev
 

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When designing the support system for a piping system, the goal is restrain the pipe as little as possible. The goal is to restrain only at connections, and just support the weight of the pipe in between. When a properly supported pipe expands/contracts, it floats to a configuration of minimum stress.

To find forces at constraints:
1) Determine the stress-free configuration at the first temperature.
2) Assume the entire line is floating in space. This is the stress-free configuration at the first temperature with all supports removed.
3) Change to the second temperature.
4) Calculate the forces (at the constraints) to move the constraint points back to their original position.
5) Done

Note that each pipe hanger is a constraint. If a hanger is free to move, then it is only supporting the weight of the pipe, and can be ignored.
 
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I agree with @jrmichler. To rephrase his response slightly:

As you noted, that 2" pipe WILL grow in length with temperature. The simplest way to find the force at point "A" would be to ignore the 2" pipe and treat the 1/2" pipe as a simple cantilever beam. Then calculate the force needed to move the free end of the cantilever by your calculated 6.6mm displacement.
 
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Your situation is complicated a bit by the fact that the 2" pipe is going to resist bending and exert a a stress at both ends of your 3/4" pipe, so it might be a good idea to use a cantilevered beam with the opposite end at the elbow being guided case for the calculation.

The equation to determine the maximum stress for your pipe at both ends of your 3/4" pipe based upon your deflection, assuming the 2" pipe is substantially more bend resistant than the 3/4" pipe, is:

Max Stress Gp = 3 x E Gp x (pipe O.D.) mm x (pipe end deflection) mm / (pipe length)^2 mm^2

where: E = Modulus of Elasticity for your piping material
 
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