Convex Lens: Image Formation at Infinity & Parallel Rays

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The discussion revolves around the image formation by a convex lens, particularly when an object is placed at the focal length. Participants explore the implications of parallel rays produced by the lens and how these rays interact with the human eye, leading to questions about image clarity, blurriness, and the nature of images formed at infinity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that when an object is at the focal length of a convex lens, the image is formed at infinity, resulting in parallel rays.
  • Others argue that the eye, being a convex lens itself, should converge these parallel rays to form a clear image, but this leads to confusion about the nature of the image.
  • A participant questions the meaning of "no image is formed" in the context of the figure, noting conflicting statements in physics literature about whether an image exists at infinity or not.
  • There is a suggestion that if the camera is focused correctly, a sharp image should be formed, contradicting some illustrative examples that show a blurred image.
  • Another participant raises a scenario involving a magnifying glass and asks about the behavior of the image when the lens is moved closer to the eye, leading to further exploration of image size and clarity.
  • Discussions also touch on the concept of virtual images and how the positioning of the observer or lens affects image clarity.
  • Some participants express confusion about the conditions under which images are formed, particularly regarding the thickness of the lens and the eye's accommodation.
  • Visual aids are requested to clarify the concepts being discussed, particularly regarding the refraction of rays and their convergence on the retina.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of images formed by convex lenses and the implications of parallel rays on image clarity.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of image formation, the assumptions about the eye's focusing ability, and the conditions under which images are considered clear or blurry. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of textbook explanations.

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For an object at focal length in front of a convex lens, the image formed will be at infinity and the refracted rays are parallel (refer to the figure). Since our eye lens is convex in nature, why don't it converge these parallel rays so that an image can be formed?
 
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nightsparkling said:
Since our eye lens is convex in nature, why don't it converge these parallel rays so that an image can be formed?

That is exactly what happens.
 
If it's the case, what does 'an image is not formed' in the figure mean?
I've searched some Physics books, some say that the image is in infinity and others say no image is formed.
So, I really feel confused as there seems a contradiction.
If our eye can see an image, how will this image look like? Blurry or clear? Magnified?...
 
The lens forms an image "at infinity" ONLY if the object is at the focal point of the lens. If this lens IS your eye, then you'll just see a blurry mess. If this lens is NOT your eye, then you can place your eye in the path of the parallel rays and your eye will focus them onto your retina and an image will be formed.

nightsparkling said:
If it's the case, what does 'an image is not formed' in the figure mean?
I've searched some Physics books, some say that the image is in infinity and others say no image is formed.
So, I really feel confused as there seems a contradiction.

An "image at infinity" and "no image is formed" mean the exact same thing in this context. They both mean that the rays neither converge nor diverge.
 
What about if I put an object at the focal length at one end of the lens, and take an photo at the other end of the lens using focus at infinity, will the image become blurred? I'm not a professional photographer, what I think is that our eye works like an camera, both with a convex lens...
To me, if the rays get parallel by the convex lens, then as it is photographed, these light rays will be converged by the lens of the camera and get focused, and a clear image is supposed to form. But some pictures used to illustrating the concept of object putting at the focal length of convex lens show that blurred (instead of a clear) image is formed. Still, there's another contradiction...
 
nightsparkling said:
What about if I put an object at the focal length at one end of the lens, and take an photo at the other end of the lens using focus at infinity, will the image become blurred?

Just speaking of focal lengths and such, no, the image shouldn't be blurred.

nightsparkling said:
To me, if the rays get parallel by the convex lens, then as it is photographed, these light rays will be converged by the lens of the camera and get focused, and a clear image is supposed to form. But some pictures used to illustrating the concept of object putting at the focal length of convex lens show that blurred (instead of a clear) image is formed.

If the focus of the camera is set correctly the image should be sharp.
 
I am also thinking in that way but it seems that I can't get a whole picture...
The following question is obtained from a secondary school physics textbook.
A boy holds a magnifying glass at arm's length. He looks at a poster through the glass and sees a magnified erect image. What happens to the image if he moves the lens closer to his eyes?
A. It gets larger till it gets totally blurred at some distance.
B. It gets larger, keeping erect all the way.
C. It gets smaller and becomes totally blurred at some distance.
D. It gets smaller, keeping erect all the way.

Which is correct?
 
It looks like you are describing the situation where a 'magnifying glass' (convex lens) is brought up to an object at the right distance for a virtual image to be formed infinitely far behind it. You will see that image because your eye lens can bring parallel rays to focus on your retina. However, if you move just a bit closer to the object then the rays will converge too much for the eye to focus them on the retina. The image will form in front of the retina and look big and blurry, I think. Try it.
 
I'm sorry that I can't get it comprehensively.
You've mentioned the virtual image to be formed infinitely far behind a convex lens. I'm not sure whether you're referring to an object at exactly the focal length or object lying within the focal length. For the former, the image should at infinity, while for the latter, it should be a magnified image. Am I correct?
Also, you've mentioned moving just a bit closer to the object. In this case, does the distance between the object & the lens remain unchanged (i.e. simply the observer moves closer to the lens) or the lens put closer to the closer without any change in observer's position?
I know it may be too long and complicated for you to read, but I'm really very confused and everything's a mess!
For a ray to converge too much, maybe the lens is too thick. But doesn't moving closer implies the eye accommodates for a thinner lens to let the rays focus on the retina? If it's possible, can you show me a picture?
 
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nightsparkling said:
can you show me a picture?

Lens creates parallel rays:

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Eye lens focuses the parallel rays on the retina to create a sharp image.

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ah, I've met this picture before;
I want a picture that shows:
when an object is put at focal length of a convex lens, it gets refracted and becomes parallel. When an observer sees, these parallel rays will be converged by the eye lens onto the retina so that an image is formed.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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In A.T.'s second diagram, "tilt" the incoming parallel rays so they are at an angle to the horizontal axis (but still parallel to each other). They now meet on the retina at a point below its center.

Now combine the two diagrams together, with the parallel rays emerging from the lens in the first diagram becoming the incoming parallel rays in the second diagram.
 
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nightsparkling said:
I want a picture that shows: when an object is put at focal length of a convex lens, it gets refracted and becomes parallel.
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nightsparkling said:
When an observer sees, these parallel rays will be converged by the eye lens onto the retina so that an image is formed.

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nightsparkling said:
If it's the case, what does 'an image is not formed' in the figure mean?
It means that with just the lens that is shown in the figure -- and no additional lenses present -- then no image is formed. Of course, adding another lens -- such as a person's eye -- would alter the direction of the rays so they are no longer parallel, and thus an image would be formed.
I've searched some Physics books, some say that the image is in infinity and others say no image is formed.
So, I really feel confused as there seems a contradiction.
I understand the confusion. As Drakkith said, those two statements ultimately mean the same thing.
If our eye can see an image, how will this image look like? Blurry or clear?
If an eye is able to make the rays come to a focus on the retina, the image is clear. (See A.T.'s figures)
If an eye cannot do this, then the image is blurry.
Different people's eyes will have different results.
Magnified?...
That depends on how the eye's focal length compares to F for the lens in your original figure.
 

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