Coordinate singularities and coordinate transformations

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The discussion revolves around the nature of singularities in a specific metric related to de Sitter space, focusing on coordinate transformations and the behavior of the metric at certain values of the radial coordinate, particularly at r = ±1. Participants explore the implications of curvature invariants and the existence of horizons versus true singularities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a metric and identifies a singularity at r = ±1, suggesting it is a coordinate singularity based on calculations of the Riemann tensor.
  • Another participant questions the nature of the singularity, stating that the absence of a singularity in certain curvature scalars does not imply the absence of a singularity overall.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of referring to r = -1, with a suggestion to find coordinates that yield a flat metric at large r.
  • A participant mentions the presence of a cosmological constant and a Gauss-Bonnet term, indicating that these factors may influence the nature of the singularities.
  • Discussion includes the identification of horizons in the context of de Sitter space, with assertions that there are no true singularities present.
  • One participant seeks clarification on the behavior of test particles in the spacetime, questioning whether they would exhibit any "odd" behavior due to the nature of the coordinates.
  • Static coordinates for de Sitter space are referenced, along with a comparison to a flat slicing of the spacetime, suggesting a connection to the current understanding of the universe's expansion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and nature of singularities in the discussed metric. While some assert that there are no true singularities, others maintain that the behavior of the metric at specific coordinates warrants further investigation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the findings.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the identification of singularities relies on examining the metric and curvature invariants, and that the presence of a cosmological constant and additional terms complicates the analysis. There is uncertainty regarding the implications of coordinate choices and the behavior of the metric at critical points.

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I have a metric of the form ds^2 = (1-r^2)dt^2 -\frac{1}{1-r^2}dr^2-r^2 d\theta^2 - r^2 sin^2\theta d\phi^2

A singularity exists at r=\pm 1. By calculating R^{abcd}R_{abcd} i found out that this singularity is a coordinate singularity.

I found the geodesic equations for radial photons and performed the eddington-finkelstein coordinate transformation.

my metric turns out to be:

ds^2 = (1-r^2)dudv-r^2 d\theta^2 - r^2 sin^2\theta d\phi^2

where u and v are the constants of integration for the outgoing and incoming radial photons.

I also took a further coordinate transformation where T=(u+v)/2 and X = (u-v)/2

and the metric takes the form:

ds^2 = (1-r^2)dT^2-(1-r^2)dX^2-r^2 d\theta^2 - r^2 sin^2\theta d\phi^2

However for r=\pm 1 the metric still does not behave properly.

Do you suggest any other coordinate transformation? Thank you.
 
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In what way does it not behave properly? There does not appear to be a singularity. (I didn't check your math)
 
jinbaw said:
A singularity exists at r=\pm 1. By calculating R^{abcd}R_{abcd} i found out that this singularity is a coordinate singularity.

First I wanted to point out a couple of things about this part of your post.

One is that just because a particular curvature scalar is not singular, that doesn't mean that there's no singularity there. Only the converse is true: if some curvature scalar *does* blow up, then the singularity *isn't* just a coordinate singularity. Also, note that the Kretchmann invariant isn't the only curvature scalar that can be constructed from the Riemann tensor.

The other is that I doubt that it makes sense to refer to r=-1. I'm pretty sure your solution can't be continued to negative r.

Anyway, getting back to your question, one thing I would suggest is that before you start doing coordinate transformations that are analogous to the ones that we know are helpful in the case of the Schwarzschild metric, I would suggest seeing if you can transform to coordinates such that at large r, the metric is flat. When you calculated the Kretchmann invariant, how did you find that it depended on r and t? This would help in figuring out if there is an asymptotically flat part of your spacetime somewhere. If you can find a relation between r and t such that the Kretchmann invariant vanishes, then presumably that is where asymptotically flat infinity is hiding. Note that r is timelike for large r.

Is this a vacuum solution with zero cosmological constant? If so, then I think Birkhoff's theorem says it has to be the Schwarzschild solution written in unusual coordinates, and you can probably locate the Schwarzschild singularity by looking for a relation between r and t such that the Kretchmann invariant blows up.
 
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1. Actually, yes you're right i can't take r = -1.
2. I do have a cosmological constant + a gauss-bonnet term.
3. To detect the singularities, i look at my metric and check at what values of r it might blow up. Then, i look at the kretchmann invariant to check whether the singularities are real or coordinate. IS there any other way to find the singularities of my metric?
 
Your metric is de Sitter. There are horizons, but no singularities.
 
Ich said:
Your metric is de Sitter. There are horizons, but no singularities.

Can you explain more? :)
 
so what i have is only points at which the r coordinate becomes timelike and the t coordinate becomes spacelike. This is what happens at r=1. But, i do not have real singularities similar to r=0 in schwarzschild. right?

if i want to think of some test particle that exists in my spacetime, it would not have any "odd" behavior?
 
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