Cornstarch Unusual Properties & Extra Water Effects

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The discussion revolves around the unusual properties of cornstarch solutions, particularly focusing on the effects of adding excess water and heating the mixture. Participants explore the behavior of cornstarch as a non-Newtonian fluid, specifically its shear thickening characteristics, and the implications of irreversible changes when heated.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their experience with a cornstarch solution, noting that it becomes hard when struck but softens under slow pressure, and questions the effects of adding too much water and heating the mixture.
  • Another participant suggests that heating the cornstarch likely cooked it, recommending allowing the mixture to sit undisturbed to let the cornstarch settle instead of heating.
  • A participant elaborates on the nature of cornstarch as a dilatant fluid, mentioning that the phenomenon is not fully understood and often involves discussions of tangled polymers.
  • There is a suggestion that heating the solution may have caused irreversible changes to the starch, leading to the observed thickening and globule formation.
  • A later reply questions whether the nonlinear dynamics of materials, such as cornstarch solutions, is an open research topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to handle excess water in cornstarch solutions and the implications of heating the mixture. There is no consensus on the extent of research conducted on the topic of cornstarch as a non-Newtonian fluid.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the behavior of cornstarch solutions, particularly regarding the effects of concentration and heating, as well as the complexity of nonlinear fluid dynamics.

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I was playing around with cornstarch solution as I saw on T.V. that it had some really funny properties. It becomes hard when you hit it, but its soft if you go slow on it.
I was preparing some at home in two containers. In one container however, I added too much water. Having finished the cornstarch, I couldn't add more. So to get rid of this extra water, I tried to heat the solution, but instead of returning to normal, globules formed in the solution as it became thicker. I'm finding it very difficult to make it normal.
Why does this happen? What does adding extra water and then heating do to the mix?
 
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Sounds to me like you simply cooked the cornstarch. If you want to remove water, just let the (uncooked) mixture sit, undisturbed, and the cornstarch will eventually settle, then just pour off some of the water.

Google "non-Newtonion fluids" for more information, recipes and experiments.
 
anirudh215 said:
I was playing around with cornstarch solution as I saw on T.V. that it had some really funny properties. It becomes hard when you hit it, but its soft if you go slow on it.
I was preparing some at home in two containers. In one container however, I added too much water. Having finished the cornstarch, I couldn't add more. So to get rid of this extra water, I tried to heat the solution, but instead of returning to normal, globules formed in the solution as it became thicker. I'm finding it very difficult to make it normal.
Why does this happen? What does adding extra water and then heating do to the mix?

Cornstarch in solution is an example of a dilatant (shear thickening) fluid:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilatant

The phenomenon is partially understood at best- hand-waving arguments about tangled polymers are usually invoked. It's a nonlinear effect, and part of a more general phenomena:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Newtonian_fluid

Unfortunately, when you heated the solution, you most likely made some irreversible changes to the starch itself, causing the behavior you experienced. best to just start over- next time, mix the material much more slowly. It's a nonlinear effect, so there's a narrow range of concentration that will produce the dramatic effect:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oobleck
 
Andy Resnick said:
Cornstarch in solution is an example of a dilatant (shear thickening) fluid:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilatant

The phenomenon is partially understood at best- hand-waving arguments about tangled polymers are usually invoked. It's a nonlinear effect, and part of a more general phenomena:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Newtonian_fluid

Unfortunately, when you heated the solution, you most likely made some irreversible changes to the starch itself, causing the behavior you experienced. best to just start over- next time, mix the material much more slowly. It's a nonlinear effect, so there's a narrow range of concentration that will produce the dramatic effect:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oobleck

I see. So not many people have done research on this stuff yet? Is it an open topic?
 
In as much as the nonlinear dynamics of materials is an open topic, yes.
 

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