Coronavirus infection rate + outcomes -versus bloodtypes

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between blood types and susceptibility to COVID-19, specifically examining a Chinese study that suggests varying infection rates and outcomes based on blood type. Participants explore the implications of the study's findings, the validity of its methodology, and the potential biological mechanisms involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a Chinese study indicating that individuals with type O blood may be less likely to contract COVID-19 and experience severe outcomes compared to those with type A blood.
  • One participant questions whether blood type is a causal factor, suggesting that the observed differences could be due to familial clustering of infections rather than blood type itself.
  • Another participant proposes that the surface molecules associated with blood types might influence viral entry into cells, presenting a potential biological mechanism.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the complexity of the study's hypothesis, particularly the interpretation of antigens and their effects on infection risk.
  • Several participants critique the statistical methods used in the study, arguing that the conclusions drawn may be flawed due to uncontrolled confounding factors and the misuse of statistical tests.
  • One participant compares the patient data to a scenario involving clumped coin flips, emphasizing that the independence of cases is compromised by hereditary and geographical connections among patients.
  • A suggestion is made for a better-designed study that would involve random population sampling to more accurately assess the correlation between blood type and infection rates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express significant disagreement regarding the validity of the study's conclusions and the statistical methods employed. There is no consensus on whether blood type influences COVID-19 susceptibility, with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the study's methodology, including potential confounding factors and the need for more rigorous statistical analysis. The discussion highlights the complexity of interpreting correlations in the context of hereditary and environmental influences.

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Blood types A, and O influence the rate of infection and death rates
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...ay-be-more-vulnerable-coronavirus-china-study
This is a news report on a Chinese study, not a journal article

Type O population of confirmed patients were disproportionately less like to die and less likely to become infected in the first place - compared to the type A. No reason noted, as far as I can tell. There were cases of all blood types and deaths in all bloodtypes in case you are confused.

Interesting. If anyone knows of a technical article, please post a link.
 
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I can't say that I am convinced that the blood group itself is a causal factor.
Since blood type is a hereditary - perhaps they simply had slightly more families in the A group that contracted COVID-19.
 
Blood types are based on surface molecules on blood cells.
It is conceivable that cell surface molecules could affect how easily a virus can enter a cell in some way.
 
I didn't find the article convincing.

1. The hypothesis is very complicated when expressed in terms of antigens. Is A good or bad? By itself, it's bad. But with B it's neutral. What about B? By itself it's bad, but with A it's good.
2. The statistics reject the hypothesis that Wuhan and Shenzhen have the same ABO populations at an even higher confidence level than the Covid statistics. Given that diseases cluster in the population, it's far from clear that they are seeing anything but that.
 
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I read it again, and if I were the editor, I would reject it. The statistics is muddled. Apart from the uncontrolled confounding factors described above, they perform one test and then draw conclusions as if they performed another. Then they assume causality where they see correlation.

They do an independence test on blood type and disease incidence and progress. Fair enough. But then they draw conclusions like A is bad, O is good. First, this is an a posteriori test. Second, there is no mention of the need for a trials factor when in fact they are performing multiple tests: (A is good, O is bad; B is bad, AB is bad, A is good...)

The authors don't understand statistics. While it's possible that someone else could go through the data and do it right, that's not what we have in front of us.
 
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The point that I was trying to make before is that the cases are not independent measurements of each other. It's as though you flipped 3000 coins and 1000 came up heads and 2000 came up tails. It may at first seem as though the chances of that happening were extraordinarily remote. But if I then told you that the coins were welded together into three clumps and it was simply a case where one clump (and all the coins it in) landed heads and the other two clumps landed tails, it would be far less impressive.

That is what I see as the most important failing of the statistics they are using.

Many small groups within their patient population are connected by both heredity and proximity. Hence the "welding".
 
I think we're saying the same thing.

A better-designed study would take the random population, divide it into groups of 1775, and see if one can pick out the one group that's sick. That still won't capture all the correlations, but I suspect that it won't matter: the groups will differ among each other by about the same amount.
 

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