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The discussion centers on understanding the proof of Proposition 1.82 from Rotman's "Advanced Modern Algebra," specifically regarding the Correspondence Theorem for groups. The first question addresses why the preimage of a subgroup, $$\pi^{-1}(U)$$, is a subgroup of $$G$$ that contains the kernel $$K$$, with clarification that if an element belongs to the kernel, its image under $$\pi$$ is the identity in $$U$$. The second question explores how the equality $$\pi(\pi^{-1}(U)) = U$$ demonstrates the surjectivity of the homomorphism $$\pi$$, relying on set-theoretic properties of functions. The responses emphasize the relationship between subgroup properties and the implications of surjectivity in group homomorphisms. Overall, the discussion seeks to clarify foundational concepts in group theory related to the Correspondence Theorem.
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I am reading the book: "Advanced Modern Algebra" (Second Edition) by Joseph J. Rotman ...

I am currently focused on Chapter 1: Groups I ...

I need help with an aspect of the proof of Proposition 1.82 (Correspondence Theorem) ...

Proposition 1.82 reads as follows:
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In the above proof by Rotman we read the following:

" ... ... To see that $$\Phi$$ is surjective, let $$U$$ be a subgroup of $$G/K$$. Now $$\pi^{-1} (U)$$ is a subgroup of $$G$$ containing $$K = \pi^{-1} ( \{ 1 \} )$$, and $$\pi ( \pi^{-1} (U) ) = U$$ ... ... "My questions on the above are as follows:
Question 1

How/why is $$\pi^{-1} (U)$$ is a subgroup of $$G$$ containing $$K$$? And further, how does $$\pi^{-1} (U) = \pi^{-1} ( \{ 1 \} )$$ ... ... ?
Question 2

How/why exactly do we get $$\pi ( \pi^{-1} (U) ) = U$$? Further, how does this demonstrate that $$\Phi$$ is surjective?
Help will be much appreciated ...

Peter
 
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Q1: if $f:G \longrightarrow H$ is a group-homomorphism. If $B$ is a subgroup of $H$ then $\pi^{-1}B$ is a subgroup of $G$, if $A$ is a subgroup of $G$, then $\pi A$ is a subgroup of $H$. You can prove that easily.
Now if $k \in K=\pi^{-1}1$, then $\pi k =1 \in U$, and so on ...

Q2: In set-theory we have this property: Let $X$ en $Y$ be sets, and $f:X \longrightarrow Y$ is a function, if $B \subset Y$, then $ff^{-1}B \subset B$. If, furhermore, $f$ is surjective, then $ff^{-1}B = B$. Conversely, you can easily prove that if $ff^{-1}B = B$ then $f$ is surjective.
You know that $\pi$ is surjective. You can apply this now to your problem.
 
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steenis said:
Q1: if $f:G \longrightarrow H$ is a group-homomorphism. If $B$ is a subgroup of $H$ then $\pi^{-1}B$ is a subgroup of $G$, if $A$ is a subgroup of $G$, then $\pi A$ is a subgroup of $H$. You can prove that easily.
Now if $k \in K=\pi^{-1}1$, then $\pi k =1 \in U$, and so on ...

Q2: In set-theory we have this property: Let $X$ en $Y$ be sets, and $f:X \longrightarrow Y$ is a function, if $B \subset Y$, then $ff^{-1}B \subset B$. If, furhermore, $f$ is surjective, then $ff^{-1}B = B$. Conversely, you can easily prove that if $ff^{-1}B = B$ then $f$ is surjective.
You know that $\pi$ is surjective. You can apply this now to your problem.
Hi Steenis ... great to hear from you again ...

Thanks for your help ...

... just now reflecting on what you have written ...

Peter
 
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