Cosmology: Static Universes and Negative Curvature

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of achieving a static universe with negative curvature in cosmology, contrasting it with Einstein's approach to static universes with positive curvature. Participants explore theoretical models, the role of matter and energy density, and the implications of the cosmological constant.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a pseudohyperspherical universe with negative curvature could achieve stasis through a non-standard agent, contrasting it with Einstein's use of dust in a positively curved universe.
  • Others argue that the curvature of the universe is determined by the density of matter/energy and the expansion rate, asserting that a static universe requires positive curvature and a specific matter density.
  • There is a discussion about the cosmological constant, with some participants noting that it was added by Einstein to achieve a static universe, while questioning the characterization of matter as 'dust'.
  • One participant suggests that there may not be a stable static universe in General Relativity (GR), even with hypothetical non-matter agents.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of applying Einstein's method to anti-de Sitter spacetime, with suggestions that it would inherently collapse unless countered by a positive cosmological constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the possibility of static universes with negative curvature, with no consensus reached on the feasibility of such models or the role of the cosmological constant.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the understanding of static universes, particularly regarding the assumptions about matter density and curvature, as well as the implications of the cosmological constant.

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Dear Cosmology People,
Einstein added just enough ad hoc dust to a universe with hyperspherical topology and positive spatial curvature to bring about stasis. Is a similar thing possible with a pseudohyperspherical universe with negative curvature, something opposite of dust, that would have some exact value to attain stasis?
 
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No. The curvature is uniquely-determined by the density of matter/energy and the expansion rate. A universe that is static (i.e., the Hubble expansion is zero) has a positive curvature that is equal to the matter density (once you throw in the proper conversion factors). As long as the matter is made up of stuff that has [itex]w > -1/3[/itex], which normal matter and radiation do, it is guaranteed to recollapse on itself.
 
Einstein added the cosmological constant to achieve a static universe. I'm not familiar with it being referred to as 'dust'.
 
yes, uniform dust is the description from wiki page "Static universe". The page goes on to say this model is unstable. I'm guessing there's no stable static universe in GR. I was interested if there was, even if some imaginary non-matter, non-radiation agent was necessary.
 
Chronos said:
Einstein added the cosmological constant to achieve a static universe. I'm not familiar with it being referred to as 'dust'.

I think what the OP might have meant to say is that Einstein started with de Sitter spacetime and added just enough dust (i.e., ordinary matter with zero pressure) to keep it from expanding. I think that gets the actual thought process Einstein followed backwards, though; as I understand it, he started with a closed FRW model at the moment of maximum expansion and then added enough cosmological constant to keep it from collapsing, as you say.

Helios said:
I'm guessing there's no stable static universe in GR. I was interested if there was, even if some imaginary non-matter, non-radiation agent was necessary.

I'm not sure you can do Einstein's trick with anti-de Sitter spacetime (i.e., a negative cosmological constant instead of a positive one) except in a trivial sense, because it will be collapsing with nothing else present, and the only thing I can see that you could add to it to keep it from collapsing would be a positive cosmological constant--but that just amounts to canceling out the cosmological constant and ending up with flat, empty Minkowski spacetime. Technically, that qualifies as a "stable, static" spacetime, but only because it's entirely empty.
 

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