Could anything heat back up the core of Mars?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential methods for heating the core of Mars to restore its magnetic field and atmosphere. Participants explore theoretical engineering solutions, the feasibility of various approaches, and the implications of Mars' atmospheric loss over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Mars lost its atmosphere due to internal cooling, which led to the loss of its magnetic field, making it vulnerable to solar winds.
  • There are proposals for engineering solutions to restart Mars' magnetic field, including the idea of a Dyson sphere to gather energy or causing a collision with a large celestial body to generate heat.
  • Others argue that creating a breathable atmosphere might be achievable without addressing the magnetic field, as the loss of atmosphere occurs over millions of years.
  • Some participants question the energy sources required for such engineering feats, mentioning nuclear fusion as a potential option.
  • One participant raises the idea of using semi-transparent domes to protect a man-made atmosphere from loss, suggesting that they could help maintain gas pressures and protect against harmful elements.
  • Concerns are expressed about the second law of thermodynamics complicating efforts to heat Mars' core, with some suggesting that advanced future technologies would be necessary.
  • Questions are posed regarding the evidence for the timeline of Mars' atmospheric loss and the methods used to estimate it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility of restoring Mars' magnetic field and atmosphere, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the practicality of the proposed methods.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about energy sources, the definitions of terms like "habitable," and the unresolved nature of the scientific processes involved in atmospheric loss.

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My understanding of why Mars lost its atmosphere was because it cooled down too much internally and that when this happened, the planet lost its magnetic field that helped protect it from solar winds (which then ended up stripping away the planets atmosphere). Is there anything that people could engineer to restart a planets magnetic field so that it could sustain an atmosphere once more again?
 
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Where would you get the energy?
 
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I suggest you send an email to Elon Musk. He might have some ideas!
 
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Isopod said:
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My understanding of why Mars lost its atmosphere was because it cooled down too much internally and that when this happened, the planet lost its magnetic field that helped protect it from solar winds (which then ended up stripping away the planets atmosphere). Is there anything that people could engineer to restart a planets magnetic field so that it could sustain an atmosphere once more again?
In order to have a magnetic field like Earth a planet has to have a liquid core. Melting the core of Mars would be quite a chore. A Dyson sphere might gather enough energy. But then you would have to wait a long time for the surface of Mars to cool down enough to be habitable.

A more feasible way would be a collision with a big heavenly body, like one of Jupiter's moons. That generates a great deal of heat.
 
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Hornbein said:
A more feasible way would be a collision with a big heavenly body, like one of Jupiter's moons. That generates a great deal of heat.
Yes, that's a good way to do it.

Moving it to orbit Jupiter in a Trojan point of Io might be another.

But if you're talking about methods within the reach of mankind, no.
 
But then again, you don't need to worry about the lack of a magnetic field, if you already have the capability to create a breathable atmosphere within sensible timescales (decades? centuries?).
The loss of the atmosphere is a slow process, taking millions of years. It won't be of significant concern to the terraforming civilisation in the same way as wind erosion or plate tectonics don't prevent anyone from building houses.
 
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Isopod said:
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My understanding of why Mars lost its atmosphere was because it cooled down too much internally and that when this happened, the planet lost its magnetic field that helped protect it from solar winds (which then ended up stripping away the planets atmosphere). Is there anything that people could engineer to restart a planets magnetic field so that it could sustain an atmosphere once more again?
The second law of thermodynamics will be fighting you kicking and screaming. So, basically, no, not without some far, far future science fiction or fantasy technology.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Where would you get the energy?

Nuclear fusion?

Hornbein said:
In order to have a magnetic field like Earth a planet has to have a liquid core. Melting the core of Mars would be quite a chore. A Dyson sphere might gather enough energy. But then you would have to wait a long time for the surface of Mars to cool down enough to be habitable.

A more feasible way would be a collision with a big heavenly body, like one of Jupiter's moons. That generates a great deal of heat.

I'm going to read up on Dyson Sphere's now, thank you :D

Bandersnatch said:
But then again, you don't need to worry about the lack of a magnetic field, if you already have the capability to create a breathable atmosphere within sensible timescales (decades? centuries?).
The loss of the atmosphere is a slow process, taking millions of years. It won't be of significant concern to the terraforming civilisation in the same way as wind erosion or plate tectonics don't prevent anyone from building houses.

How do people know that the loss of Mars atmosphere took millions of years and is there anything that people could do to slow down the loss of a man-made atmosphere?
 
Isopod said:
is there anything that people could do to slow down the loss of a man-made atmosphere?
Live under semi-transparent domes that admit EM wavelengths beneficial to humans but inhibit damaging items. Domes keep out poisonous gases, dust and harmful radiation. Domes also allow isolating plants and crops from industry, industry from human animal habitats, help maintain correct partial pressures of gas, that is, an atmosphere, and can be polarized to simulate night and day.

Polarized glass technology exists, consists mainly of sand with a few improvements, non-toxic and relatively inexpensive and non-invasive. Domes scale and interconnect easily and support or incorporate solar electricity production. Domes effectively roof natural cave systems. Tessellated panels combine to create larger structures as needed. Small domes easily fit within large, providing necessary redundancy.

English dome derives from Latin domus, home.
 
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Isopod said:
How do people know that the loss of Mars atmosphere took millions of years
The papers I've seen attempt to account for all known physical processes that remove/add gasses over time, which give you the estimated rate of loss for any assumed initial atmosphere.
 
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