Could someone help me get my head around this Taylor Series stuff

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The discussion revolves around finding the Taylor series for the function f(x) = ln(sec(x)) at the point a = 0. Participants are attempting to determine the coefficients of the series and are encountering confusion regarding the process of differentiation and evaluation at the specified point.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the method for finding Taylor series coefficients, including the use of derivatives and factorials. There are attempts to evaluate the function and its derivatives at the point x=0, with some expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the differentiation process and the evaluation of the function at the expansion point. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in calculating higher-order derivatives, and some participants are questioning their own approaches and the accuracy of their results.

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There is mention of confusion regarding the application of the Taylor series formula and the evaluation of derivatives, with some participants expressing frustration over the calculations involved. The original poster's attempts to clarify their understanding indicate a learning-focused environment.

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Homework Statement



The Taylor series for f(x) = ln(sec(x)) at a = 0 is sum_(n=0to infinity) c(sub n) (x)^n.

Find the first few coefficients.

The Attempt at a Solution



I've been trying to figure out where to start by looking it up...I've seen instructions that each coefficient is just the nth derivative of the function, other's saying it's the nth derivative divided by n!, others say it's the nth derivative times n...and nothing comes out properly.

Help!
 
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The Taylor series of a function,f(x) about a point x=a is given by:

f(x)=f(a)+f'(a)(x-a)+\frac{f''(a)(x-a)^2}{2!}+\frac{f'''(a)(x-a)^3}{3!}+\frac{f''''(a)(x-a)^4}{4!}+...+\frac{f^n(a)(x-a)^n}{n!}+...


as you can see, the nth term of a Taylor series is \frac{f^n(a)(x-a)^n}{n!}.
But what you need to find are the first few terms, so find f(a), then f'(a) and so forth and just put those values into the equation above.
 
Okay, so I did...

ln(sec(0)) = 0, first term, this is correct...

(sec(1) * tan(1) / sec(1)) * (1 - 0) = 1.5574, but the correct answer is 0...ugh!

Help?
 
the7joker7 said:
Okay, so I did...

ln(sec(0)) = 0, first term, this is correct...

(sec(1) * tan(1) / sec(1)) * (1 - 0) = 1.5574, but the correct answer is 0...ugh!

Help?

Your f(x)=ln(secx). You chose to expand about the point x=0. So the 'a' in the equation is 0

f'(x)=secxtanx/secx, f'(0)=sec0tan0/sec0=0.
 
Is (sec(x)*(sec(x)*sec(x)^2+tan(x)*sec(x)*tan(x))-sec(x)*tan(x)*sec(x)*tan(x))/sec(x)^2 f''(x)?

EDIT: Jeez, these derivatives get huge...I must be working too hard somehow.
 
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No it does not.

f'(x) is given above by rock.freak667. Just differentiate it to get the answer. Note that you can cancel out sec x in the given expression to make your life much, much easier.
 
the7joker7 said:
Is (sec(x)*(sec(x)*sec(x)^2+tan(x)*sec(x)*tan(x))-sec(x)*tan(x)*sec(x)*tan(x))/sec(x)^2 f''(x)?

EDIT: Jeez, these derivatives get huge...I must be working too hard somehow.

Yes, it is right. If you simplify that godawful mess by cancelling sec's, you just get sec^2(x). You are right. But listen to Defennder, you are working WAY TOO HARD.
 

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