Could wind turbines be used as wind breaks in open farm land

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential use of wind turbines as wind breaks in open farmland, exploring their effectiveness compared to traditional methods such as planting trees or shrubs. Participants examine the implications of using turbines for reducing wind velocity, particularly in agricultural contexts, and consider various factors including cost, aesthetics, and airflow dynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a line of wind turbines could effectively reduce wind velocity like traditional wind breaks.
  • Others argue that constructing wind turbines would be more expensive and visually unappealing compared to planting trees.
  • A participant raises concerns about the need for turbine blades to operate close to the ground to act as effective wind breaks, suggesting this could lead to turbulent airflow and vibrations.
  • It is noted that lines of trees with bare trunks can actually increase wind speed at ground level, and that wind turbines might similarly increase local wind speeds below their blades.
  • Some participants express confusion over terminology and emphasize that while wind turbines may redirect airflow, they do not function as effective wind breaks at ground level.
  • There is a discussion about the potential for wind turbines to reduce hurricane power, but participants clarify that this is a different scale and principle than what is needed for farm wind breaks.
  • Historical context is provided regarding the use of shrubs and trees as wind breaks, with a participant sharing experiences of how poorly maintained hedges can lead to unintended consequences, such as increased wind speeds below the trees.
  • Some participants suggest that the selection of low-growing species is crucial for effective wind breaks, and that wind turbines, due to their height and operational characteristics, may not serve this purpose well.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness of wind turbines as wind breaks. Multiple competing views remain regarding their practicality, cost-effectiveness, and impact on wind dynamics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the discussion, including the need for further clarification on definitions of wind breaks, the dependence on specific conditions for effectiveness, and unresolved questions about the airflow dynamics around turbines and trees.

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my question is would a line of wind turbines have a comparable effect to a wind break in reducing wind velocity
 
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Maybe, but it would be more expensive and a great deal more unsightly to construct a bunch of wind turbines in place of planting a row of trees.
 
I see a problem with this idea, in order for the blades to act as wind breaks the blade tips would have to travel very close to the ground, at that level the airflow would be turbulent setting up potentially dangerous vibrations in the blades.
 
Lines of trees that have bare trunks with a high canopy of foliage actually increase the wind speed close to the ground. It requires an understory of low shrubs to reduce surface wind velocities.

By obstructing higher airflow, a line of wind generators will actually increase the local wind speed below the blades.
 
I agree with Jobrag and Baluncore. I'm a bit confused by the terminology in the initial posts. Where I live (at least when I was on farms back in the 50's and early 60's) we used hedges such as caraganas for windbreaks. Sometimes there were a few trees on either side of them, but that was decorative.
That aside, I agree that wind turbines wouldn't work for what I think of as a "windbreak". They will of course reduce and/or redirect airflow, but not at ground level and not to a huge degree.
 
theOrange said:
If it is possible to use wind turbines to reduce the power of a hurricane
If that's to what the OP was referring, it's a whole different scale than what came to my mind. I was thinking of the kind we had to cut down on soil erosion in dry times on the farm or minimize snow drifting in winter due to surface winds. Hurricane taming wouldn't work on the same principle (I don't think) because of the sheer vertical area they cover and hurricanes are more susceptible to interference a higher altitudes where the "rim" speed is lower.
 
Danger said:
If that's to what the OP was referring, it's a whole different scale than what came to my mind. I was thinking of the kind we had to cut down on soil erosion in dry times on the farm or minimize snow drifting in winter due to surface winds. Hurricane taming wouldn't work on the same principle (I don't think) because of the sheer vertical area they cover and hurricanes are more susceptible to interference a higher altitudes where the "rim" speed is lower.

You may be right, either way trees are probably more cost effective.
 
theOrange said:
You may be right, either way trees are probably more cost effective.
Way back in the 1920s, Cypress seedlings were handed out for free by the Department of Agriculture so farmers could plant wind breaks. These formed good wind break hedges that only required to be trimmed once each year. Unfortunately, farmers are busy and kept putting off the inconvenient job of trimming the top of 12 foot high hedges, so the hedges became lines of trees, now between 4 and 8 foot diameter at the base, 100 foot high, dropping big old branches on buildings and equipment. The area under the trees is now bare of other vegetation and clear of low branches, which makes an efficient wind tunnel for wind obstructed by the middle part of the tree.
That outcome is quite the opposite to what was originally intended, wind speeds below the trees increased.

Where trees are used as wind breaks, the species selected should remain low, such as a shrub, or have foliage that fills the area between the trees as close to the ground as possible.
 
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Baluncore said:
Where trees are used as wind breaks, the species selected should remain low, such as a shrub, or have foliage that fills the area between the trees as close to the ground as possible.
Yes - one can use tall trees, but at some distance from buildings and equipment. One would need lower shrubs, but also rows of trees.

I've noticed that some windbreaks are not well maintained, and I've seen dead trees that ostensibly will fall if the wind is too high.

Wind turbines extract a portion of the wind, and most have the blades well above the ground, which is where one wants the wind break. In addition, wind turbines have a cutoff speed at which prevents them from turning too fast.
 

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