Coulomb's law to find electric field for charge density function

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The discussion revolves around finding the electric field generated by a volumetric charge density given by the function $$\rho(r) = \rho_0 \left(1 - \frac{ar}{R}\right)$$. Participants explore the application of Coulomb's law and Gauss's law in this context.

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  • The original poster attempts to use Coulomb's law directly by integrating the charge density over volume, but questions arise regarding the validity of this approach compared to Gauss's law.
  • Some participants express concern about the charge density potentially growing without limit and suggest that limits should be set for the radius.
  • There is discussion about the complexity of the integrals involved when applying Coulomb's law, with some suggesting that Gauss's law simplifies the problem significantly.
  • Questions are raised about whether direct integration is the best method to tackle the problem, with hints that symmetry and Gauss's law may provide a more straightforward solution.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and questioning the assumptions made in the problem setup. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Gauss's law, and there is acknowledgment of the challenges posed by direct integration. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants note the importance of defining the limits of the charge density, particularly in relation to the radius of the sphere, to avoid complications in the calculations. There is also mention of the radial symmetry of the field due to the nature of the charge density.

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The volumetric charge density is given as

$$\rho(r) = \rho_0 \left(1 - \frac{ar}{R}\right)$$

What shall be the Electric field at any distance ##r## ?

My approach was to directly use the coulomb's law and integrate with respect to volume.
$$ \mathbf{E}(\mathbf{r}) = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \int \frac{\rho({r})}{r^2} d\tau $$
$$E(r) = K \rho_0 \int_V \left(1 - \frac{ar}{R}\right) \frac{1}{r^2} r^2 \sin \theta dr d\theta d\phi $$
$$E(r) = K \rho_0 4\pi \int_0^r \left(1 - \frac{ar}{R}\right) dr $$
$$E(r) = K \rho_0 4\pi (r- \frac{ar^2}{2R})$$
$$E(r) = \frac{\rho_0}{\epsilon_0} (r- \frac{ar^2}{2R})$$

But this wrong according to my answer key and all the websites I've searched, use gauss law to get ##\vec{E}##.
My question is what did I get wrong, and can't this problem be solved using coulomb's law
 
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Su6had1p said:
what did I get wrong

Coulomb's law ?

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BvU said:
This. The actual integrals you obtain from applying Coulomb’s law are rather nasty. This is why applying Gauss’ law makes this problem soooo much simpler.
 
I think the problem should set a limit to the charge density (r<???). Otherwise, the charge density grows without limit and we could get nasty results.
 
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Gordianus said:
I think the problem should set a limit to the charge density (r<???). Otherwise, the charge density grows without limit and we could get nasty results.

I second this notion. I assume ##R## is the radius of the sphere. So you have to specify whether ##r## is less than or greater than ##R##

you really ought to use Gauss’ Law as suggested above otherwise your r^2 term becomes really complicated because you have to realize that not every point on the sphere is the same distance from the field point. Furthermore you have to account for components (even if they are cancelled by symmetry)
 
BvU said:
ok, lets apply this formula!
what does it change ?
as far my thinking goes-
this integral simply adds up the product of elemental charges with the function next to them, now take for instance this ##\rho(r')## describes charge density for a sphere of radius ##R##. Now in the interior of the sphere suppose at an arbitrary distance ##r<R##, we wish to evaluate the integral, wouldn't that mean ##r'=r## ? But then we run into another problem...
 
Orodruin said:
This. The actual integrals you obtain from applying Coulomb’s law are rather nasty. This is why applying Gauss’ law makes this problem soooo much simpler.
damn!!!! a whole prof. engaging in my doubts ! thanks, and please point out if im conceptually wrong somewhere.
 
You aren't wrong. If you feel up to it, write down Coulomb's law integrand, just the integrand.
 
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Hopefully I'm not breaking PF rules but I'm going to (partially) do what @Gordianus said which is set up the integral for part ##a## and then you should ask yourself if direct integration is the best approach (I get a feeling you will find that it is not)

We know a priori the field is radially symmetric because the charge density depends solely on the radial distance so we can arbitrarily set ## \vec{r} = \left(\frac{R}{2},0,0\right)##. We know that ##\vec{r}' = \left( r' \sin \theta' \cos \phi', r' \sin \theta' \sin \phi', r' \cos \phi' \right)##

Given your ##\rho = \rho_0 \left( 1 - \frac{ar’}{R}\right)##, ##d \tau' = r'^{2} \sin \theta' d \theta' d \phi'## and your ##\vec{r}## and ##\vec{r}'##

is ##E_r = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} \int \,\frac{\rho \left(r’\right)}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{r}' \right|^2} d\tau'## really something you want to tackle?
 
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PhDeezNutz said:
Hopefully I'm not breaking PF rules but I'm going to (partially) do what @Gordianus said which is set up the integral for part ##a## and then you should ask yourself if direct integration is the best approach (I get a feeling you will find that it is not)

We know a priori the field is radially symmetric because the charge density depends solely on the radial distance so we can arbitrarily set ## \vec{r} = \left(\frac{R}{2},0,0\right)##. We know that ##\vec{r}' = \left( r' \sin \theta' \cos \phi', r' \sin \theta' \sin \phi', r' \cos \phi' \right)##

Given your ##\rho = \rho_0 \left( 1 - \frac{ar}{R}\right)##, ##d \tau' = r'^{2} \sin \theta' d \theta' d \phi'## and your ##\vec{r}## and ##\vec{r}'##

is ##E_r = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} \int \,\frac{\rho \left(r\right)}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{r}' \right|^2} d\tau'## really something you want to tackle?
No, it would be very difficult, I get your point.
 
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PhDeezNutz said:
should ask yourself if direct integration is the best approach (I get a feeling you will find that it is not)
While definitely not the easiest way forward, it should be pointed out that it is certainly possible to solve the integral. It essentially amounts to deriving Newton’s shell theorem by integration and is a pretty nice exercise in multivariable integration if one feels like it.

The easiest way of course is applying symmetry arguments and Gauss’ law, as mentioned earlier.
 
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