Counter-intuitive statistics puzzles

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The discussion revolves around various counter-intuitive statistics puzzles, exploring concepts related to probability and decision-making. Participants share different puzzles and engage in reasoning about their implications and outcomes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention the Monty Hall Problem as a starting point for discussing similar puzzles.
  • A participant presents a scenario involving a drug test's sensitivity and specificity, highlighting that the probability of being a user after testing positive is not straightforward and depends on the prevalence of drug users in the population.
  • Another participant introduces two puzzles regarding the probability of having boys and girls in a specific scenario in Tyrannia, questioning whether the probabilities change based on the order of the children.
  • A question is posed about the number of people needed in a room for a 90% probability that two share the same birthday.
  • A game involving coin flips and entry fees is described, prompting discussion about the expected value and entry fee for playing the game multiple times.
  • Participants express appreciation for the challenging nature of the puzzles and indicate plans to explore them further.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for links to the puzzles for reference.
  • There is a repeated mention of a tennis award scenario, with participants discussing the optimal match schedule to maximize chances of winning.

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Participants generally share interest in the puzzles, but there are competing views on the best approaches and solutions to the presented problems. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the probabilities and strategies involved in the various scenarios.

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Some puzzles depend on specific assumptions about probabilities and conditions that may not be fully articulated, leading to potential misunderstandings or varied interpretations among participants.

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Individuals interested in probability, statistics, and mathematical reasoning, as well as those who enjoy solving puzzles and engaging in discussions about counter-intuitive concepts.

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Recently, I came upon the Monty Hall Problem, and found it to be quite interesting. Any suggestions of similar counter-intuitive statistics puzzles would be much appreciated.
 
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Suppose a drug test is 99% sensitive and 99% specific. That is, the test will produce 99% true positive results for drug users and 99% true negative results for non-drug users. If a randomly selected individual tests positive, what is the probability he or she is a user?

The answer is not close to 99% as one might think. In fact, it depends on how many other people are drug user? If only 0.5% of people in the group was a user, then even if someone tests positive, the chance of that person being a user is only around 33%.
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Puzzle 1:
In the land of Tyrannia, parents want to have boys rather than girls. So the rules of Tyrannia state that everybody who gets a girl, can have another child, until they have a boy. So for example, a couple can get a boy right away, and is then not allowed another child. But a couple can get 10 girls and then a boy, and then is not allowed another child.

What is the eventual percentage of boys and girls?

Puzzle 2:
A couple has two children. One of the children is a boy. What is the probability that the other is a girl.

A couple has two children. The oldest of the children is a boy. What is the probability that the other is a girl.

Are these two probabilities the same?

Other things to review: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson's_paradox
 
How many random people do you need to gather in room in order for the probability that two have the same birthday to be 90% or higher?
 
In order to get a certain tennis award, you need to play three matches. You can play against an easy player or against a very tough player. But you can't play the same player in a row.

So you have the following two options:
Match 1: Play against the easy player
Match 2: Play against the hard player
Match 3: Play against the easy player

or

Match 1: Play against the hard player
Match 2: Play against the easy player
Match 3: Play against the hard player

To get the award, you need to win two matches in a row. Which schedule do you choose?
 
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You can play the following game:

You first pay a certain sum as entry fee, namely x dollars.

Then you flip a coin. You keep flipping a coin until you hit head. You count the amount of tails you got, call this ##n##. You get paid ##2^n## dollars.

For example, if you throw 3 tails in a row, then you get paid ##8## dollars.

How large should the entry fee in order for you to play this game? What if you play this game several times?
 
Thanks a lot for the suggestions micromass and I_am_learning. The puzzles defiantly seem challenging upon first glance. I'll go through each one in more depth tomorrow, as I'm awfully tired at the moment.
 
Going forward nature, you must provide links to the puzzles.
 
micromass said:
In order to get a certain tennis award, you need to play three matches. You can play against an easy player or against a very tough player. But you can't play the same player in a row.

So you have the following two options:
Match 1: Play against the easy player
Match 2: Play against the hard player
Match 3: Play against the easy player

or

Match 1: Play against the hard player
Match 2: Play against the easy player
Match 3: Play against the hard player

To get the award, you need to win two matches in a row. Which schedule do you choose?

2 makes sense. Given that you're "very likely" to beat the easy player, you're given two chances to beat the hard player vs only 1 chance.
 
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johnqwertyful said:
2 makes sense. Given that you're "very likely" to beat the easy player, you're given two chances to beat the hard player vs only 1 chance.

Yeah after thinking over that puzzle thoroughly, the answer seemed rather trivial, although the appearance can be somewhat deceiving.
 

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