Counterexample so that (ab)^i=a^ib^i for two consecutive integers

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The discussion centers on finding a counterexample to the equation (ab)i = aibi for two consecutive integers in the context of group theory, specifically within non-abelian groups. Participants noted that while the problem is more straightforward for three consecutive integers, identifying suitable pairs for two consecutive integers remains challenging. The quaternion group Q was identified as a potential candidate, particularly for i=4 and i=5, indicating its relevance in this context.

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  • Understanding of group theory concepts, particularly non-abelian groups.
  • Familiarity with the properties of the quaternion group Q.
  • Knowledge of integer sequences and their implications in group operations.
  • Experience with mathematical problem-solving techniques in abstract algebra.
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  • Research the properties and applications of the quaternion group Q in group theory.
  • Explore examples of non-abelian groups and their characteristics.
  • Study the implications of the equation (ab)i = aibi for various integer values.
  • Investigate the relationship between consecutive integers and group operations in depth.
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counterexample so that (ab)^i=a^ib^i for two consecutive integers for any a and b in a group G does not imply that G is abelian.

this is a problem in herstein and I'm struggling to find an example. The previous problem to show that if (ab)^i=a^ib^i for 3 consecutive integers then G is abelian is a starred problem but seems to be easier.
 
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Hint: It's trivial if you pick the right two consecutive integers.
 
im sorry but is i the square root of 1 here?
 
no, i is an integer. It's a group theory problem
 
I wonder if we can find an easy nontrivial counterexample (i.e. where we choose a pair of values for i other than 0 and 1). I scribbled down some stuff and managed to convince myself that the symmetric and dihedral groups aren't going to be good candidates, but I haven't had the energy to pursue this any further.

Edit:
I did some searching and found http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about12002.html . Apparently the quaternion group Q works with i=4 and i=5.
 
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