Counting continued fraction numbers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of continued fractions, particularly focusing on their representation of different types of numbers, including rational numbers, quadratic surds, and transcendental numbers. Participants explore the countability of these sets and the implications of repeating continued fractions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that finite continued fractions correspond to rational numbers, which are countably infinite, while Cantor's work indicates that real numbers, represented by both finite and infinite continued fractions, are not countably infinite.
  • Another participant asserts that quadratic surds are countable and that the set of algebraic numbers is also countable, seeking clarification on the term 'repeating CFs' and its notation.
  • A participant explains that 'repeating CFs' refers to continued fractions where coefficients follow an arithmetic progression, providing an example with the number e.
  • It is suggested that quadratic surds can be represented with a specific structure in continued fractions, while allowing non-zero terms could represent non-algebraic numbers like e.
  • One participant proposes a function that maps the coefficients of the repeating continued fractions to unique natural numbers, suggesting that this mapping indicates the countability of the set of repeating continued fractions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the countability of quadratic surds and algebraic numbers, but there is uncertainty regarding the countability of repeating continued fractions and the implications of their structure. The discussion remains unresolved on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of repeating continued fractions, as well as the conditions under which certain sets are considered countable.

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I've been playing with a computational system that represents numbers in their simple continued fraction form.

That is, CF([a0,a1, ... , an]) =a0 + \frac{1}{ a_{1}+\frac{1}{a_{2}+\ddots\frac{1}{a_{n}}} }Considering what types of numbers such a system can represent, the finite CF's correspond to the set of rational numbers. Therefore this set is countably infinite (as are the rationals).

Cantor showed that the real numbers, which corresponds to the set of all finite and infinite CF's, is not countably infinite. What about the quadratic surds, which correspond to infinite continued fractions with a simple repeated pattern? Surds can be represented as a finite 'rational' part and a repeat length, which seems to be countable.

A wide variety of transcendental numbers also have repeating CF representations, such as e^{1/n} = CF([1, (n-1), 1],[0,2n,0]) = CF([1,(n-1),1,1,(3n-1),1,1,(5n-1),... ]) = 1+\frac{1}{(n-1)+\frac{1}{1+\frac{1}{1+\frac{1}{3n-1+\ddots}}}}

Consider the set of repeating CF's. { CF( [a_{0}, a_{1}, ..., a_{n} ], [v_{0},v_{1},...,v_{m}]), m<=n }, clearly each part, being finite, is countable, is the set of pairs still countably infinite?
 
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Quadratic surds are countable.In fact, the set of algebraic numbers is countable.
Could you help me understand the term 'repeating CFs' and the notation?
Is it composed of the two parts CF( [a_{0}, a_{1}, ..., a_{n} ] and [v_{0},v_{1},...,v_{m}])?
 
Eynstone said:
Quadratic surds are countable.In fact, the set of algebraic numbers is countable.
Could you help me understand the term 'repeating CFs' and the notation?
Is it composed of the two parts CF( [a_{0}, a_{1}, ..., a_{n} ] and [v_{0},v_{1},...,v_{m}])?

By 'repeating CFs' I'm referring to continued fractions who's coefficients have an arithmetic progression. For example e ~ 2.718281828 = CF([2,1,2,1],[0,2,0]) = CF([2,1,2,1,1,4,1,1,6,1,1,...]). While quadratic surds have the form CF( [a_{0}, a_{1}, ..., a_{n} ] and [v_{0},v_{1},...,v_{m}]) where all the vi terms are 0's, allowing non-zero vector or offset terms provides exact representations for many non-algebraic numbers (like e).

Intuitively it seems like this set is also countable, but I'm not sure.
 
Consider f([v0,v1,..vm])=2^(v0+1).3^(v1+1)... p_m^(vm+1). f maps each [v0,v1,..vm] to a unique natural number. Therefore,
([a0,a1,...an] ,[v0,v1,..vm])-> (a0,...,an,f([v0,v1,..vm])) is one-one from the set of repeating CFs to Union N^(n+1) over all n. Since the latter is a countable, so are the repeating CFs.
 

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