Counting Measure Homework: Does fn(x) Converge?

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The discussion revolves around convergence properties of a sequence of functions defined on a measure space with a counting measure. The specific functions in question are characteristic functions related to the natural numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore pointwise convergence, almost uniform convergence, and convergence in measure. Some express confidence in pointwise convergence while questioning the nature of almost uniform convergence and its implications.

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There is active engagement with various interpretations of convergence. Some participants provide reasoning for their views, while others challenge assumptions and clarify definitions. The discussion is ongoing, with no explicit consensus reached on the convergence properties.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the cardinality of certain sets as n approaches infinity, and there is a shift in focus to a related question about the completeness of a metric space involving measurable functions.

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Homework Statement


In the measure space {X,S,u} where u is the counting measure
X=(1,2,3,..}
S= all subsets of X
fn(x)=[tex]\chi[/tex]{1,2,,,..n}(x) where [tex]\chi[/tex] is the characteristic (indicator) function.

Does fn(x) converge
a.pointwise
b.almost uniformly
c.in measure


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My guess would be
a.pointwise.yes, since it goes eventually to 1 , but it's hard to demonstrate this
b. almost uniformly : yes?
c. in measure: yes? follows directly from b if the answer to b is yes
 
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a) Yes. Take [tex]x \in X[/tex]. It shouldn't too difficult to show that eventually [tex]|f_n ( x ) - 1 | = 0[/tex].
b) See (c)
c) No. It's easy to see that the only possible limit is [tex]f\equiv1[/tex]. Now, for any [tex]1>\varepsilon>0, n \in \mathbb{N}[/tex], [tex]\{ | f_n - 1 | > \varepsilon \} = \{ n + 1, n + 2, \ldots \}[/tex]. What is the measure of this set? What does this say about almost uniform convergence?
 
rochfor1 said:
a) Yes. Take [tex]x \in X[/tex]. It shouldn't too difficult to show that eventually [tex]|f_n ( x ) - 1 | = 0[/tex].
b) See (c)
c) No. It's easy to see that the only possible limit is [tex]f\equiv1[/tex]. Now, for any [tex]1>\varepsilon>0, n \in \mathbb{N}[/tex], [tex]\{ | f_n - 1 | > \varepsilon \} = \{ n + 1, n + 2, \ldots \}[/tex]. What is the measure of this set? What does this say about almost uniform convergence?

I think the only problem is that we have to find the cardinality of (n+1,n+2,n+3...) as n goes to infinity. As n goes to infinity, there is no number larger than n and in fact no n+1,n+2...can exist?
 
That's not a very precise way to think about it. Think about it...without a doubt [tex]n\to\infty[/tex], but at any "stage" of this limit, [tex]n<\infty[/tex] so the set I wrote about is well-defined, and can in fact be mapped bijectively to the natural numbers. What does that imply about its cardnality?
 
I completely understand the solution now.

One last question
How to prove that the metric space (L,d)
where L=all measurable functions
d(f,g)=[tex]\int{\frac{|f-g|}{1+|f-g|}[/tex] is complete?

I really have no idea how to show this since I have to show that the limit of ARBITRARY cauchy sequence is another measurable function. I think it is very difficult.
 
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Is that the complete question? What domain are your measurable functions defined on?
 
Sorry, my bad (X,S,u) is a FINITE measure space and L is the set of FINITE measurable functions. no information other than that.
no mention of lebesgue measure or borel set
 
That helps. Otherwise you wouldn't have a metric. Now your metric is equivalent to the L_1 metric, isn't it? Sorry, it's been a long time since my Real Analysis classes and I don't have this stuff at the tip of my tongue anymore.
 

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