Counting the number of set-subset pairs within H

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The problem involves counting the number of set-subset pairs within the set H, defined as H = {1, 2, 3, ..., 10}. The specific question is to determine the number of pairs (G, F) such that G is a subset of F, and F is a subset of H.

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  • The original poster attempts to reason through the problem by considering cases based on the size of set G and calculating the number of ways to choose set F accordingly. Some participants question the relevance of ordering in the solution, while others clarify that order does not matter in the context of forming subsets.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and providing insights into the reasoning process. There is a suggestion to count the total directly by assigning statuses to elements of H, indicating a productive direction in the conversation.

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There is some uncertainty regarding the relevance of ordering in the counting process, which may affect the interpretation of the total number of pairs. Participants are also considering the implications of their reasoning on the final count.

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Homework Statement


##H=\{1,2,3,\dots , 10\}##. Determine the following number: ## \#([G,F];G\subseteq F \subseteq H)##.

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Here is my reasoning. If ##G=\emptyset##, there are ##2^{10}## ways to choose ##F##, so ##\binom{10}{0}2^{10}## total. If ##|G|=1##, there are ##2^9## ways to choose ##F##, so ##\binom{10}{1}2^9## ways total. And so on, until ##|G|=10##, so there is only one way to choose ##F##, and so ##\binom{10}{10}\cdot 1## ways in total.

These are are disjoint cases, so we sum them up: $$\sum_{k=0}^{10}\binom{10}{10-k}2^{k} = \sum_{k=0}^{10}\binom{10}{k}2^{k} = 3^{10}$$.

Does this all look like the correct reasoning?
 
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Not clear to me if the ordering is relevant. If not, your 210 shrinks to 20...:rolleyes:
 
BvU said:
Not clear to me if the ordering is relevant. If not, your 210 shrinks to 20...:rolleyes:
Could you elaborate? In my solution ##2^{10}## is how many subsets of ##H## there are. Order is not relevant because we're just forming subsets, I believe.
 
My bad, it looks like the total number is staggering indeed...
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Does this all look like the correct reasoning?

You can also count your ##3^{10}## directly. The sets ##G\subseteq F \subseteq H## can be identified by assigning a status to each element of ##H##. It can be either i) only in ##H##, ii) in ##F## and ##H## but not in ##G## or ii) in all three sets. That's three possibilities for each element of ##H##. Hence ##3^{10}## ways.
 

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