Coupled differential equations

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The discussion revolves around a set of coupled differential equations involving two variables, x1 and x2, with parameters a and b. Participants are exploring the nature of solutions to this system, particularly focusing on methods of solving such equations without delving into extensive theoretical backgrounds.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss various methods to approach the solution, including differentiation, matrix representation, and diagonalization of the coefficient matrix. There are questions about the consistency of parameters used in the equations and the implications of those choices.

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The conversation is ongoing, with some participants suggesting different methods to handle the equations and others questioning the assumptions made about the parameters. There is no explicit consensus on a single approach, but multiple lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Some participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential for various interpretations of the equations. There is also mention of a desire for concise answers, contrasting with the inherent complexity of the solutions.

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A bit related to my other topic but here goes:

I have the set of differential equations:

x1' = a-ax1-ax2
x2' = b-bx1-bx2

What is the solution to such a set? I could google systems of differential equations, but that turns up large texts on the theory. I just wonna know in a few lines what the solution to such a set is. I know how to diagonalize the coefficient matrix etc. if I need that.
 
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aaaa202 said:
A bit related to my other topic but here goes:

I have the set of differential equations:

x1' = a-ax1-ax2
x2' = b-bx1-bx2

What is the solution to such a set? I could google systems of differential equations, but that turns up large texts on the theory. I just wonna know in a few lines what the solution to such a set is. I know how to diagonalize the coefficient matrix etc. if I need that.

I did a search for "nonhomogeneous system of linear equations". Here is one link.
http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/classes/de/NonhomogeneousSystems.aspx
 
It takes more that "a few lines" to describe how to solve systems such as yours...
 
aaaa202 said:
A bit related to my other topic but here goes:

I have the set of differential equations:

x1' = a-ax1-ax2
x2' = b-bx1-bx2

What is the solution to such a set? I could google systems of differential equations, but that turns up large texts on the theory. I just wonna know in a few lines what the solution to such a set is. I know how to diagonalize the coefficient matrix etc. if I need that.

Are the three 'a's in the first equation really supposed to be all the same (and ditto for the 'b's in the second equation)? If so, try looking at y = x1+x2.

BTW: what does the word "wonna" mean?
 
'wonna' is a variant of 'wanna' = 'want to'
 
SteamKing said:
'wonna' is a variant of 'wanna' = 'want to'
Not like in "wonna these days"?:-p
 
SteamKing said:
'wonna' is a variant of 'wanna' = 'want to'

I know that of course; but it does no harm to try to encourage proper language.
 
There several different ways to handle
[itex]x_1'= a- ax_1- ax_2[/itex]
[itex]x_2'= b- bx_1- bx_2[/itex]

The more "elementary" method would be to differentiate the first equation again:
[itex]x_1''= -ax_1'- ax_2'= ax_1'- a(b- bx_1- bx_2)= (a+ ab)x_1+ abx_2- ab[itex] but, from the first equation, multiplied by b, [itex]abx_2= ab- bx_1'- abx_1[itex]so <br /> [itex]x_1''= (a+ ab)x_1+ (ab- bx_1'- abx_1)- ab[/itex]<br /> [itex]x_1''+ bx_1'- ax_1= 0[/itex].<br /> That has characteristic equation [itex]r^2+ br- a= 0[/itex] with roots [itex]r= \frac{-b\pm\sqrt{b^2+ 4a}}{2}[/itex] so that [itex]x_1(t)= e^{-bt}(C_1e^{\sqrt{b^2+ 4a}t}+ C_2e^{-\sqrt{b^2+ 4a}t}[/itex] if [itex]b^2+ 4a>0[/itex], [itex]x_1(t)= e^{-bt}(C_1 cos(\sqrt{-b^2- 4a}t)+ C_2 sin(\sqrt{-b^2- 4a}t)[/itex] if [itex]b^2+ 4a< 0[/itex], or [itex]x_1(t)= e^{-bt}(C_1+ C_2t)[/itex] if [itex]b^2+ 4a= 0[/itex].<br /> <br /> In any case, [itex]x_2= (ab- bx_1'- abx_1)/ab[/itex].<br /> <br /> A more "sophisticated" method would be to write the differential equations as a matrix equation:<br /> [tex]\begin{pmatrix}x_1 \\ x_2\end{pmatrix}'= \begin{pmatrix}-a & -a \\ -b & -b\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x_1 \\ x_2 \end{pmatrix}+ \begin{pmatrix}a \\ b\end{pmatrix}[/tex]<br /> <br /> The characteristic equation for that matrix is <br /> [tex]\left|\begin{array}{cc}-a- \lambda & -a \\ -b & -b- \lambda\end{array}\right|= (-a- \lambda)(-b- \lambda)- ab= \lambda^2+ (a+ b)\lambda= 0[/tex]<br /> which has roots [itex]\lambda= 0[/itex] and [itex]\lambda= -a- b[itex].<br /> We can find the eigenvectors corresponding to those eigenvectors and so diagonalize the matrix,[/itex][/itex][/itex][/itex][/itex][/itex]
 
HallsofIvy said:
There several different ways to handle
[itex]x_1'= a- ax_1- ax_2[/itex]
[itex]x_2'= b- bx_1- bx_2[/itex]

The more "elementary" method would be to differentiate the first equation again:
[itex]x_1''= -ax_1'- ax_2'= ax_1'- a(b- bx_1- bx_2)= (a+ ab)x_1+ abx_2- ab[itex] but, from the first equation, multiplied by b, [itex]abx_2= ab- bx_1'- abx_1[itex]so <br /> [itex]x_1''= (a+ ab)x_1+ (ab- bx_1'- abx_1)- ab[/itex]<br /> [itex]x_1''+ bx_1'- ax_1= 0[/itex].<br /> That has characteristic equation [itex]r^2+ br- a= 0[/itex] with roots [itex]r= \frac{-b\pm\sqrt{b^2+ 4a}}{2}[/itex] so that [itex]x_1(t)= e^{-bt}(C_1e^{\sqrt{b^2+ 4a}t}+ C_2e^{-\sqrt{b^2+ 4a}t}[/itex] if [itex]b^2+ 4a>0[/itex], [itex]x_1(t)= e^{-bt}(C_1 cos(\sqrt{-b^2- 4a}t)+ C_2 sin(\sqrt{-b^2- 4a}t)[/itex] if [itex]b^2+ 4a< 0[/itex], or [itex]x_1(t)= e^{-bt}(C_1+ C_2t)[/itex] if [itex]b^2+ 4a= 0[/itex].<br /> <br /> In any case, [itex]x_2= (ab- bx_1'- abx_1)/ab[/itex].<br /> <br /> A more "sophisticated" method would be to write the differential equations as a matrix equation:<br /> [tex]\begin{pmatrix}x_1 \\ x_2\end{pmatrix}'= \begin{pmatrix}-a & -a \\ -b & -b\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x_1 \\ x_2 \end{pmatrix}+ \begin{pmatrix}a \\ b\end{pmatrix}[/tex]<br /> <br /> The characteristic equation for that matrix is <br /> [tex]\left|\begin{array}{cc}-a- \lambda & -a \\ -b & -b- \lambda\end{array}\right|= (-a- \lambda)(-b- \lambda)- ab= \lambda^2+ (a+ b)\lambda= 0[/tex]<br /> which has roots [itex]\lambda= 0[/itex] and [itex]\lambda= -a- b[itex].<br /> We can find the eigenvectors corresponding to those eigenvectors and so diagonalize the matrix,[/itex][/itex][/itex][/itex][/itex][/itex]
[itex][itex][itex][itex][itex][itex] <br /> The two DEs added together give ##y' = c - cy## where ##c = a+b## and ##y = x_1 + x_2##. Once we know ##y## we can get ##x_1, x_2## from ##x_1' = a - ay##, etc.[/itex][/itex][/itex][/itex][/itex][/itex]
 

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