Courant's Introduction to Calculus place on roadmap

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The discussion revolves around the appropriate placement of Courant's "Introduction to Calculus" within a reading plan for calculus and its relationship to other mathematics texts. Participants explore the prerequisites for studying linear algebra and the necessity of various calculus books in the learning process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about where Courant's "Introduction to Calculus" fits in their reading plan, questioning if it should be considered a beginner text or if it belongs after other calculus books.
  • Another participant suggests that if the reader has completed the suggested calculus books, then Courant may be unnecessary.
  • Some participants propose that "Calculus: The Elements" by Comenetz and "Calculus and Analytic Geometry" by Thomas and Finney will provide sufficient background for studying linear algebra without needing to master Spivak first.
  • There is a suggestion that familiarity with solving linear systems and matrix multiplication is adequate for approaching linear algebra texts, regardless of calculus knowledge.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of choosing a book that matches the reader's preferred style and suggests that having more than two books may be excessive.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of Courant's text and the relationship between calculus and linear algebra preparation. There is no consensus on whether Courant's book is essential or where it should be placed in the reading order.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the reader's prior knowledge in geometry and trigonometry are present, and there is an acknowledgment of varying preferences in learning styles and book formats.

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Recently, knowing that I don't understand a lot of geometry and trigonometry stuff finally pissed me off, so I started re-learning math from scratch. Surprisingly, I found myself interested in discovering how all those things work and what they actually mean. Now I got a reading plan, but still have some questions about calculus. I studied it in high school and had a course in university, but was only good at calculating derivatives.

From what I've read here, it seems like starting with these books:
  • "Calculus: The Elements" by Comenetz
  • "Calculus and Analytic Geometry (9th Edition)" by Thomas, Finney
and continuing with:
  • "Calculus" by Spivak
would be a good choice.

But I'm having a hard time working out Courant's "Introduction to Calculus" place here. Should it be in the beginner's part of list or right after it? Is it worthwhile reading just 1st vol. (or a whole series) considering I'm definitely going to read those three books I mentioned above?

Also, do you think Comenetz and Thomas will provide enough background for such linear algebra books as:
  • "Linear algebra" by Friedberg, Insel, Spence
  • "Linear algebra" by Serge Lang
  • "Linear algebra" by Hoffman, Kunze
or should I wait until I master Spivak?
 
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Recently, knowing that I don't understand a lot of geometry and trigonometry stuff finally pissed me off, so I started re-learning math from scratch. Surprisingly, I found myself interested in discovering how all those things work and what they actually mean. Now I got a reading plan, but still have some questions about calculus. I studied it in high school and had a course in university, but was only good at calculating derivatives.

From what I've read here, it seems like starting with these books:
  • "Calculus: The Elements" by Comenetz
  • "Calculus and Analytic Geometry (9th Edition)" by Thomas, Finney
and continuing with:
  • "Calculus" by Spivak
would be a good choice.

But I'm having a hard time working out Courant's "Introduction to Calculus" place here. Should it be in the beginner's part of list or right after it? Is it worthwhile reading just 1st vol. (or a whole series) considering I'm definitely going to read those three books I mentioned above?

Also, do you think Comenetz and Thomas will provide enough background for such linear algebra books as:
  • "Linear algebra" by Friedberg, Insel, Spence
  • "Linear algebra" by Serge Lang
  • "Linear algebra" by Hoffman, Kunze
or should I wait until I master Spivak?

Will you be getting that Thomas & Finney book? If so, you need no other book to learn calculus. It'll certainly cover everything you need to know for those books you list. That said, you could get an even more thorough book, this one:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0130937002/?tag=pfamazon01-20

This would include linear algebra and some differential equation content as well. So either of these would be sufficient.

Calculus by Spivak you should choose if you know calculus pretty well and want to see it developed in the pure math style, or if you want to be challenged. So that should come after one of the two books I mentioned.

Courant's usual calculus book, which you can find https://archive.org/details/DifferentialIntegralCalculusVolI (volume 2 is also available), is similar in style to Spivak, you can look at that as well. Possibly, Spivak is slightly easier if you ignore the harder questions in it.

I think, however, that you are asking about the book "Introduction to Calculus and Analysis (vol 1)" by Courant and Fritz John. From the little I can see of it, it seems to be written for younger readers, it is more wordy in the beginning. That said, Fritz John writes a PDE book that is rather terse, and of course Courant is a highly terse writer as well, so although the book starts out being wordy, I have no doubt that it'll become terse later. So without knowing much about it, I would have to place it at the level of Spivak in your schema.
 
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Recently, knowing that I don't understand a lot of geometry and trigonometry stuff finally pissed me off, so I started re-learning math from scratch. Surprisingly, I found myself interested in discovering how all those things work and what they actually mean. Now I got a reading plan, but still have some questions about calculus. I studied it in high school and had a course in university, but was only good at calculating derivatives.

From what I've read here, it seems like starting with these books:
  • "Calculus: The Elements" by Comenetz
  • "Calculus and Analytic Geometry (9th Edition)" by Thomas, Finney
and continuing with:
  • "Calculus" by Spivak
would be a good choice.

But I'm having a hard time working out Courant's "Introduction to Calculus" place here. Should it be in the beginner's part of list or right after it? Is it worthwhile reading just 1st vol. (or a whole series) considering I'm definitely going to read those three books I mentioned above?

If you've read those three books, then Courant is unnecessary.

Also, do you think Comenetz and Thomas will provide enough background for such linear algebra books as:
  • "Linear algebra" by Friedberg, Insel, Spence
  • "Linear algebra" by Serge Lang
  • "Linear algebra" by Hoffman, Kunze
or should I wait until I master Spivak?

No, you don't need Spivak for those three books. You don't really need any calculus to read those books. If you're comfortable with solving linear systems and multiplication of matrices, then you can read those books immediately. Some exercises will make use of calculus, but those will not be essential, so you can skip those.
 
It would be so nice to be able to learn like the characters in the movie The Matrix, they just download knowledge into their brains somehow. Then one could read many, many books for each subject. But as it is, one or two should be enough.

Choose a book that has a style that you like, and possibly choose a supplementary book that uses a different, complementary format. Perhaps it is more rigorous, perhaps it goes further. But more than two is overkill, I think.
 

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