Covariant derivative of covector

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The discussion revolves around the covariant derivative of a covector, exploring its formulation and the application of the Leibniz rule. Participants examine the equivalence of different expressions involving covariant derivatives and dummy indices.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant begins by expressing the covariant derivative of a product of a covector and a vector, applying the Leibniz rule and partial derivatives.
  • Another participant asserts that the term involving the connection coefficients can be rewritten using different indices, suggesting that both notations are equivalent.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the reasoning behind the equivalence of the two expressions, asking for a concrete property that justifies the renaming of indices.
  • Another participant explains that the indices are dummy indices, which can be renamed freely, and emphasizes that the formula holds for all components of the vector field.
  • A later reply reiterates the explanation regarding dummy indices and provides an example to illustrate the concept of summation over these indices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the concept of dummy indices and their renaming, but there is some uncertainty regarding the clarity of the explanation provided for this equivalence.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the participants' varying levels of understanding regarding the properties of dummy indices and their implications in the context of covariant derivatives.

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I was trying to see what is the covariant derivative of a covector. I started with

$$ \nabla_\mu (U_\nu V^\nu) = \partial_\mu (U_\nu V^\nu) = (\partial_\mu U\nu) V^\nu + U_\nu (\partial_\mu V^\nu) $$ since the covariant derivative of a scalar is the partial derivative of the latter.

Then I know $$ \nabla_\mu (U_\nu V^\nu) = \nabla_\mu (U_\nu) V^\nu +U_\nu \nabla_\mu V^\nu$$ according to Leibniz rule.

Setting them equal to each other I get $$ \nabla_\mu (U_\nu) V^\nu = (\partial_\mu U\nu) V^\nu - U_\nu (\Gamma ^\nu _{\mu\lambda} V^\lambda) $$

Can this last term be equally written as $$U_\lambda(\Gamma ^\lambda _{\mu\nu} V^\nu)$$?? Because the proof was to get finally this form: $$ \nabla_\mu U_\nu = \partial_\mu U_\nu - \Gamma^\lambda_{\mu\nu}U_\lambda $$ I just got stuck at the last part. Thank you.
 
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Setting them equal to each other I get $$ \nabla_\mu (U_\nu) V^\nu = (\partial_\mu U\nu) V^\nu - U_\nu (\Gamma ^\nu _{\mu\lambda} V^\lambda) $$

Can this last term be equally written as $$U_\lambda(\Gamma ^\lambda _{\mu\nu} V^\nu)$$??
Yes, because both notations mean exactly the same thing. Compare this to the slightly simpler result ##\sum_{n=1}^2 x_n=x_1+x_2=\sum_{k=1}^2 x_k##.
 
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Thank you for replying to the thread. I didn't quite get the comparison you were pointing at. Is there some concrete property that allows us to do so?
 
In your formula \lambda and \nu are both indices that are summed over, often called "dummy indices". So you can just rename them as you please. Then you use the fact that your formula holds for all vector-field components V^{\nu}, and thus you get the covariant derivative for the co-vector field as you wrote in the final step.
 
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Thank you, that was exactly what I wanted to make sure of.
 
PhyAmateur said:
Thank you for replying to the thread. I didn't quite get the comparison you were pointing at. Is there some concrete property that allows us to do so?
It follows immediately from the definition of the notation. ##U_\nu \Gamma ^\nu _{\mu\lambda} V^\lambda## is a sum of 16 terms that don't contain either of the indices ##\nu## or ##\lambda##.
$$ U_\nu \Gamma ^\nu _{\mu\lambda} V^\lambda =U_0\Gamma^0_{\mu 0} V^0+U_1 \Gamma^1_{\mu 0} V^0+\cdots+U_3 \Gamma^3_{\mu 2} V^2+U_3 \Gamma^3_{\mu 3} V^3.$$ I illustrated this idea with an example with 2 terms instead of 16, because it's a pain to type 16 terms.
 

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