Covariant derivative only for tensor

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The discussion revolves around the use of covariant derivatives specifically with tensors, exploring the underlying logic and reasoning behind this requirement. It touches on theoretical aspects of differential geometry and the nature of derivatives in the context of tensor fields.

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  • One participant questions the necessity of using covariant derivatives exclusively with tensors, seeking a logical explanation for this situation.
  • Another participant suggests that the covariant derivative is defined to measure the change of a vector in a given displacement, drawing an analogy with the ordinary derivative of functions.
  • A third participant references a wiki article on covariant derivatives, implying that it may provide further insights into their usage and purpose.
  • A later reply emphasizes that without using covariant derivatives, the results would not be invariant, explaining that a connection is needed to relate tensor spaces at different points on a manifold.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and logic of covariant derivatives for tensors, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple perspectives presented.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of defining derivatives for tensor fields, noting that traditional definitions of derivatives may not apply due to the nature of tensors at different points in a manifold.

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Hi initially I am aware that christoffel symbols are not tensor so their covariant derivatives are meaningless, but my question is why do we have to use covariant derivative only with tensors? ?? Is there a logic of this situation? ?
 
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I think there's more than one possible explanation. One of them is that by construction the covariant derivative measures the change of a vector in a given displacement. This is so by construction and by definition, i.e. we want to construct the derivative of a vector and we want to do so in analogy with case of funtions (construction), which is the limit of the difference of the vectors two points when the distance comes to zero, therefore it should be a vector too.

If you want to see the change of functions, you just use the ordinary derivative.
 
mertcan said:
but my question is why do we have to use covariant derivative only with tensors? ?? Is there a logic of this situation? ?
If you do not, the result will not be invariant.

Since you labeled this thread "A": A priori, a tensor field is a section over the corresponding tensor bundle. Since the tensors at different points of the base manifold belong to different tensor spaces. As you will remember from basic calculus, derivatives were defined by taking differences of functions at different points and studying how it behaves as those points approach each other. However, for tensor fields there is a priori no natural way of taking differences of tensors at different points of the manifold and in order to be able to define a derivative we therefore must introduce a connection that can be used to relate the tensor spaces at different points to each other. This connection defines the covariant derivative and it makes no sense to talk about the "ordinary" derivative because it is unclear what it would mean.
 
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