Creating a solution for all the answer choices

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The discussion revolves around solving a physics problem related to momentum and kinetic energy, specifically addressing a multiple-choice question where the correct answer is D. The user initially struggles to understand how to derive the incorrect answer of 1/√3, despite successfully calculating the correct answers C, D, and E using the momentum equation p = mv. Through collaborative input, the user realizes that the equation for kinetic energy, KE = 1/2mv², can be manipulated to derive the velocity in terms of √3, leading to a clearer understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement


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Here is the question! Basically, we have to come up with a (reasonable) solution to all of the answer choices. It IS multiple choice, so only 1 answer is right (it is D), but we still have to find a way someone might have slipped up and made a mistake.

Homework Equations


p = mv

The Attempt at a Solution


So, I understand how to get C, D, and E. I drew a diagram and combined the vectors so the vector of the 3m mass is √2mV. And since that momentum is equal to 3mv, I solved to get v = (√2/3)V. Then for C that would just be someone making it in the opposite direction. And for E that would be solving until √2mV and leaving it as that. But I'm so lost on how someone would get 1/√3. Please help! I have been trying for 1.5 hours + and still haven't gotten anywhere.

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Here is the diagram I drew. It's basically an extension of the one in the question above.
 

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eri139 said:
... I drew a diagram
SAYING that you have drawn a diagram is of no help to us figuring out what the issue is. Show the diagram.
 
phinds said:
SAYING that you have drawn a diagram is of no help to us figuring out what the issue is. Show the diagram.
Okay...I didn't include it because I didn't think it was necessary since the diagram itself isn't the issue. But I'll put it in the description above.
 
eri139 said:
how someone would get 1/√3
The √2 comes from geometry, but there appears to be no way that √3 can. What equation might someone have used that would involve taking a square root to find a speed?
 
haruspex said:
The √2 comes from geometry, but there appears to be no way that √3 can. What equation might someone have used that would involve taking a square root to find a speed?
Uh...forgive me if I sound really dumb, but I have no clue. I have NO idea where the root 3 could come from. I'm considering just saying it's an extra answer put in there just to trick the test-taker, since I can find no alternative.
 
eri139 said:
Uh...forgive me if I sound really dumb, but I have no clue. I have NO idea where the root 3 could come from. I'm considering just saying it's an extra answer put in there just to trick the test-taker, since I can find no alternative.
Detach your thinking from the present problem if you can. When, in solving kinetics problems, does one take a square root to find a speed?
 
haruspex said:
Detach your thinking from the present problem if you can. When, in solving kinetics problems, does one take a square root to find a speed?
Would it be KE = 1/2mv^2?

Edit: okay, so now I've tried doing it like that. Would this be "correct"? :
P 1&2 = P3
P3 = 1/2m3v^2
P1 &2 = 1/2m3V^2
1/2mV^2 = 1/2m3v^2
mV^2 = m3v^2
mV^2 = 3mv^2
v = V/√3

Enough to make some physics teachers turn red with rage? :biggrin:
 
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eri139 said:
Would it be KE = 1/2mv^2?

Edit: okay, so now I've tried doing it like that. Would this be "correct"? :
P 1&2 = P3
P3 = 1/2m3v^2
P1 &2 = 1/2m3V^2
1/2mV^2 = 1/2m3v^2
mV^2 = m3v^2
mV^2 = 3mv^2
v = V/√3

Enough to make some physics teachers turn red with rage? :biggrin:
That's almost what I had in mind, but need to explain why it doesn't end up as √(2/3).
Maybe take components of the velocities of the two smaller masses before calculating the KEs: ½3mv2=2(½m(V/√2)2)?
 
haruspex said:
That's almost what I had in mind, but need to explain why it doesn't end up as √(2/3).
Maybe take components of the velocities of the two smaller masses before calculating the KEs: ½3mv2=2(½m(V/√2)2)?
Alright, I got it! Thank you for the help and putting up with me haha
 

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