Creating superimposed states in an Hydrogen Atom

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the creation of superimposed states in a hydrogen atom, particularly the ground and first excited states, as mentioned in a quantum computing course. Participants explore the physical mechanisms involved, including the role of light and energy considerations during measurement. The scope includes theoretical aspects of quantum mechanics and quantum computing.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to physically create a superimposed state of the ground and first excited states of a hydrogen atom, noting the lack of detail regarding the light frequency and pulse length.
  • Another participant suggests that the Lyman-α line at λ = 121.57 nm in the UV is relevant for this process and references the Rabi problem as a method to generate the necessary pulses.
  • Concerns are raised about energy considerations when measuring the superimposed state, specifically regarding where energy comes from or goes during the transition between states.
  • A participant reflects on their background in Quantum Chemistry, expressing difficulty in understanding superimposed states compared to traditional discussions of energy eigenstates.
  • Dr. Claude acknowledges the Rabi problem and seeks clarification on the measurement process's role in energy conservation, questioning whether it adds or subtracts energy from the system.
  • Another participant provides a simplified view of electronic structure, contrasting it with the complexities of superposition in multi-electron systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the creation of superimposed states and the implications of measurement on energy conservation. There is no consensus on the specifics of how these processes work, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved questions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of superimposed states and the measurement process, indicating a reliance on prior knowledge from Quantum Chemistry that may not fully encompass the complexities of quantum mechanics as applied to superposition.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, quantum computing, or related fields, particularly individuals seeking to understand the nuances of superimposed states and energy considerations in quantum systems.

Julian Blair
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I've been following the EdX course on Quantum Computing by Prof. Vazirani and I don't understand how one physically can create a superimposed state of the ground and 1st excited state of an hydrogen atom. He mentions "the use of light," but doesn't explain the frequency of the light, nor the length of the pulse.
Can anyone explain this for me?

Also, I don't understand the energy considerations when the hydrogen in a superimposed state is measured and found to be in either the ground state or the 1st excited state. Where did the energy either come from (excited state), or disappear (ground state.) ?
 
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Julian Blair said:
I've been following the EdX course on Quantum Computing by Prof. Vazirani and I don't understand how one physically can create a superimposed state of the ground and 1st excited state of an hydrogen atom. He mentions "the use of light," but doesn't explain the frequency of the light, nor the length of the pulse.
Can anyone explain this for me?
That would be the Lyman-α line in hydrogen, in the UV at λ = 121.57 nm. There are different methods to generate pulses that will produce a certain superposition of states. Look for instance at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabi_problem

From the point of view of quantum computing, unless you are actually doing experiments, the actual details of how certain superpositions or manipulations of qubits are achieved is usually not important.

Julian Blair said:
Also, I don't understand the energy considerations when the hydrogen in a superimposed state is measured and found to be in either the ground state or the 1st excited state. Where did the energy either come from (excited state), or disappear (ground state.) ?
The measurement process needs to be taken into account when considering conservation of energy.
 
DrClaude said:
That would be the Lyman-α line in hydrogen, in the UV at λ = 121.57 nm. There are different methods to generate pulses that will produce a certain superposition of states. Look for instance at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabi_problem

From the point of view of quantum computing, unless you are actually doing experiments, the actual details of how certain superpositions or manipulations of qubits are achieved is usually not important.The measurement process needs to be taken into account when considering conservation of energy.
DrClaude said:
That would be the Lyman-α line in hydrogen, in the UV at λ = 121.57 nm. There are different methods to generate pulses that will produce a certain superposition of states. Look for instance at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabi_problem

From the point of view of quantum computing, unless you are actually doing experiments, the actual details of how certain superpositions or manipulations of qubits are achieved is usually not important.The measurement process needs to be taken into account when considering conservation of energy.

Dr. Claude:
Thanks for the reference to the Rabi Problem. Now I will have to try to understand that! As I understand Quantum Computing from Prof. Vazirani, manipulations of qubits via various gates is essential. My difficulty is in understanding how an electron can be in a quantum state with probabilities of being found in either of the two energy eigenstates. I was taught Quantum Chemistry many years ago, and we spent a lot of time talking about how many electrons were in the different quantum energy states. We never spoke about electrons that were in superimposed states in their individual atoms. Hopefully the Rabi problem will clarify that for me.
Could you please explain further your comment , "The measurement process needs to be taken into account when considering conservation of energy."? Are you indicating that the measurement process either adds or subtracts energy from the system so that Energy is conserved?

Thanks again,... Dr. Julian Blair
 
Julian Blair said:
My difficulty is in understanding how an electron can be in a quantum state with probabilities of being found in either of the two energy eigenstates. I was taught Quantum Chemistry many years ago, and we spent a lot of time talking about how many electrons were in the different quantum energy states. We never spoke about electrons that were in superimposed states in their individual atoms.
You can understand a lot about the electronic structure atoms and molecules by considering single-particle states, orbitals, and filling them each with their own electron. But that is a very simplified picture. Take the two electrons in the ground state of helium: they are in a superposition of spin states: ##(|\uparrow \downarrow \rangle - |\downarrow \uparrow \rangle)/\sqrt{2}##.

Julian Blair said:
Could you please explain further your comment , "The measurement process needs to be taken into account when considering conservation of energy."? Are you indicating that the measurement process either adds or subtracts energy from the system so that Energy is conserved?
Generally speaking, yes.
 

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