Creating Vacuums: Moving Through Any Space?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of whether moving objects, such as cars, create vacuums as they travel through any space, including air. Participants explore the implications of this phenomenon in both everyday scenarios and specific applications, such as NASA's Wake Shield project.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a moving car creates a slight vacuum behind it, resulting in an area of low pressure that air fills after the car passes.
  • Others argue that the shaking experienced by a stationary car when fast-moving cars pass is due to the disruption of air pressure rather than a vacuum.
  • A participant mentions NASA's Wake Shield, which was designed to create a better vacuum behind it in orbit, suggesting practical applications of vacuum creation.
  • There is a clarification that while there is low pressure behind a moving car, it is not a complete vacuum, as air molecules are still present.
  • One participant warns about the dangers of "draughting," a practice where drivers follow closely behind large vehicles to save fuel, highlighting safety concerns related to air pressure dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that moving vehicles create areas of low pressure, but there is no consensus on the terminology or implications of "vacuum." The discussion includes competing views on the causes of shaking experienced by stationary vehicles and the nature of the pressure changes involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying definitions of vacuum and pressure, leading to some ambiguity in the discussion. The relationship between pressure changes and physical sensations in vehicles is also not fully resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring fluid dynamics, automotive engineering, or those curious about the effects of air pressure in motion. It may also appeal to readers interested in practical applications of vacuum technology.

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Try to picture this.

When moving through space (i mean any space, not necessarily outer space) , does one create vacuum just by moving through it ?

i.e
When a car goes by at a high speed, does it create short vacuums as it passes by, and the air around it fill that void behind the car after it goes by ?
 
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A slight vacuum, yes. A moving car creates an area of high pressure in front and low pressure behind.
 
Lets say I am in a car and it is stopped at a red light, and a bunch of cars zip by next to my car but at really high speeds, the shaking experience of my car, is it cause by a "slight" vacuum, or something different ?
 
wilha said:
Try to picture this.

When moving through space (i mean any space, not necessarily outer space) , does one create vacuum just by moving through it ?

i.e
When a car goes by at a high speed, does it create short vacuums as it passes by, and the air around it fill that void behind the car after it goes by ?

A number of years ago NASA put a structure in orbit called "Wake Shield." It was shaped like a large concave disk and its purpose was to create a better vacuum (lower particle density) behind the shield as it orbited the earth. They could use the volume behind the shield as a high vacuum laboratory in which they could do things like vacuum deposition on a target substrate or growing crystals. I never did hear of results from the experiments.

[Edit: I just found this link.]

http://ipp.nasa.gov/innovation/Innovation15/InnovWelcome.html
 
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wilha said:
Lets say I am in a car and it is stopped at a red light, and a bunch of cars zip by next to my car but at really high speeds, the shaking experience of my car, is it cause by a "slight" vacuum, or something different ?

The shaking happens because as the other car rushes past you there is lower pressure behind it. Your car is interfering with some of the surrounding air and preventing it from flowing into the low pressure area. As the surrounding air tries to rush into the area it flows around your car and pushes on it. As the other car drives off the low pressure area dissipates and the shaking stops. This happens very rapidly and doesn't last long. That's why you feel a sudden jolt and not a continuous jostling.

This effect can be quit pronounced behind a big rig truck and can be startling and dangerous. That's why I stay away from trucks when I'm on the freeway. Even when you're driving next to the back of a truck on the highway the turbulence caused by this effect can be severe.
 
This is time to introduce a caution of the "Don't try this at home" sort. There is a very dangerous practice called "draughting", wherein someone tries to save a lot of fuel by tucking in behind a tractor-trailer on the highway. There is a very high chance of that resulting in death, so don't do it.
 
wilha said:
i.e
When a car goes by at a high speed, does it create short vacuums as it passes by, and the air around it fill that void behind the car after it goes by ?

Essentially yes...but depends what you mean by vacuum. There's definitely an area of low pressure behind a moving car, and air does rush into fil the "void". But it's by no means a complete absence of air. Just less of it. Even the best vacuums we can ever make have some molecues floating around, and the area behind a car is far from that.
 
Hey bobc2, thanks for that link. Really interesting :D
 
Thanks guys
 

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