Critically Damped Harmonic System

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The discussion revolves around a critically damped harmonic system, specifically in the context of a door-stopper mechanism. The original poster presents a scenario involving the dynamics of a door that is critically damped and questions how to demonstrate that it will not close again once released from an open position.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the characteristics of critically damped systems and the implications of initial conditions on the motion of the door. The original poster attempts to derive the motion equation and expresses confusion about the door's behavior when released. Others suggest clarifying the initial conditions and correcting minor mathematical notations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the mathematical framework and initial conditions necessary for understanding the system's behavior. There is recognition of the need to set the equilibrium position correctly, and some guidance has been offered regarding the initial conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of distinguishing between the discriminant and determinant in the context of the characteristic equation. There is also mention of specific initial conditions that must be considered for the problem, such as the door being open at the start and having no initial velocity.

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Homework Statement


John the door-stopper man sells and installs door-stoppers. He prides himself as being the world's best stopper and guarantees your money back if you can install a better stopper than him.

John's secret to door-stopping is that he remembers from his lectures that the best way to stop doors is by fine tuning the stopper such that it is critically damped.


Homework Equations


Trick John (and ask for your money back) by showing him that if you open a critically damed door and release it without also pushing it, it will never ever close again.


The Attempt at a Solution


The equation of motion is a second order differential equation in the form: mx"+cx'+kx=0; then let x=e^(zt);

I realize that for a critically damped system, the determinent for the characteristic equation z^2 + (c/m)z + (k/m) = 0 equals to (c/m)^2 - 4(k/m) = 0;

Then solving for x to find the equation in the form of x(t) = (A + Bt)e^(-t(k/m)^0.5)

However, the problem is that this solution converges to the equilibrium position under critically damped conditions.

How can I show that the door will never close again?? (It seems impossible!)

Your help is much appreciated! :smile:
 
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Careful, you are looking at the discriminant, which is different from the determinate. Also, your solution should be

[tex]x(t) = (A+Bt)e^{-\frac{c}{2m}t}[/tex]

But you might as well save same writing and just call c/2m beta or gamma. Those are just some notational issues, and stupid mistakes. They don't really pertain all that much to the solution, but should be corrected nonetheless. (Edit: Oh wait, I see what you (or your instructor) did. You can leave your solution how you have it.)

You have a couple initial conditions, one is that the door is open some amount x_0 at time = 0. The other is that there is no initial velocity so x'(0) = 0. Then you want to know when the door stops moving, when it is closed.

See if this gets you anywhere.
 
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You have to set the equilibrium position to the open position. In that case the door will stop there.
 
Thanks you guys! I see, so the trick is to have the initial condition as being opened already.
 

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