Cross Section Formula in Peskin and Schroeder

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation and derivation of a cross-section formula as presented in Peskin and Schroeder's book. Participants explore the mathematical expressions involved, particularly focusing on the delta function properties and their implications in the context of quantum field theory calculations.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the integral over ##d^2b## and its relation to the delta function in the context of the cross-section formula.
  • Another participant explains that the parameter ##b## represents impact parameter, which is perpendicular to the beam direction, and relates this to the delta function's properties.
  • A question is raised about the equivalence of two delta function expressions, leading to a discussion on the dimensionality of the vectors involved.
  • Participants discuss the integral involving the exponential function and its relation to the delta function, with one providing a detailed breakdown of the integral.
  • Further inquiries are made regarding the properties of the delta function in the context of a specific integral related to energy conservation in particle interactions.
  • A participant shares a key relation involving the delta function that is relevant for computing cross-sections and decay widths.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the notation and properties of the delta function, with corrections provided by participants.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the delta function and its application in the context of the discussed formula. There is no clear consensus on all points, particularly regarding the interpretation of certain mathematical expressions.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the dimensionality of the vectors involved and the implications for the delta function. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions that may affect the interpretation of the results.

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Readers interested in quantum field theory, particularly those studying cross-section calculations and the properties of delta functions in mathematical physics.

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On page 105 of Peskin and Schroeder's book it says that the integral over ##d^2b## in the expression:

$$d\sigma = \left(\Pi_f \frac{d^3 p_f}{(2\pi)^3}\frac{1}{2E_f}\right) \int d^2b\left(\Pi_{i=A,B} \int \frac{d^3 k_i}{(2\pi)^3}\frac{\phi_i(k_i)}{\sqrt{2E_i}} \int \frac{d^3 \bar{k_i}}{(2\pi)^3}\frac{\phi_i(\bar{k_i})}{\sqrt{2\bar{E_i}}}\right) \times e^{ib(\bar{k_B}-k_B}(<p_f|k_i>)(<p_f|k_i>)^{*}$$

equals ##(2\pi)^2\delta^{(2)}(k_{B}^{\perp}-k_{B}^{\perp})##. I didn't understand why that is so. Can someone explain it to me?
 
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Well, ##b## is the parameter impact, which is perpendicular to the beam direction (let's call it ##z##). Then, ##\vec{b}\cdot\vec{k}=\vec{b}\cdot\vec{k^{\perp}}## and, since the only dependence in ##b## is in the exponential, this is the typical definition of ##\delta(\vec{k})##.
 
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Not quite get it. Why doesn't it reduce to merely ##(2\pi)^2\delta^{(2)}(k_B-\bar{k_B})##? Or is that the same thing as ##(2\pi)^2\delta^{(2)}(k_{B}^{\perp}-\bar{k_{B}^{\perp}})##? If so, why?
 
Well, ##\vec{k}## is a 3d vector, does ##\delta^2(\vec{k})## make any sense to you?
Let's simplify things, your problem is with the following integral:
$$\int dx dy e^{i\vec{r}\cdot \vec{k}}, \qquad \text{with }\vec{r}=x\hat{x}+y\hat{y}$$
Try to do it with all the details and you'll see that it gives ##(2\pi)^2\delta^2(\vec{k}^\perp)## with ##\vec{k}^\perp=k_x \hat{x}+k_y\hat{y}##.
 
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I understand now, should've kept track of all my vectors. Thanks a lot for helping me out.
 
Can I bother you a little more? I got a bit further on the deduction of the formula, but now I'm stuck at:

$$ \int \bar{dk_{A}^{z}}\delta(\sqrt{ \bar{k_{A}^{2}}+m_{A}^{2}}+\sqrt{ \bar{k_{B}^{2}}+m_{B}^{2}}-\sum E_f)|_{\bar{k_{B}^{z}}=\sum p_{f}^{z}-\bar{k_{A}^{z}}} $$
$$ = \frac{1}{|\frac{\bar{k_{A}^{z}}}{\bar{E_A}}-\frac{\bar{k_{B}^{z}}}{\bar{E_B}}|}$$

Is there any property of the delta function that could lead to this? I really can't see how to get this result.
 
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Wledig said:
Can I bother you a little more? I got a bit further on the deduction of the formula, but now I'm stuck at:

$$ \int \bar{dk_{A}^{z}}\delta(\sqrt{ \bar{dk_{A}^{2}}+m_{A}^{2}}+\sqrt{ \bar{dk_{B}^{2}}+m_{B}^{2}}-E_f)|_{\bar{k_{B}^{z}}=\sum p_{f}^{z}-\bar{k_{A}^{z}}} $$
$$ = \frac{1}{|\frac{\bar{k_{A}^{z}}}{\bar{E_A}}-\frac{\bar{k_{A}^{z}}}{\bar{E_B}}|}$$

Is there any property of the delta function that could lead to this? I really can't see how to get this result.
Yes, it's one of the most important relations of the ##\delta##, at least when computing cross-sections and decay widths:
$$\int \delta(f(x))dx = \sum_{x_0}\frac{1}{f'(x_0)}\int\delta(x-x_0)dx$$
where ##x_0## are all the solutions of the equation ##f(x)=0##, and ##f(x)## is a continuously diferentiable function that fullfills ##f'(x)\neq 0##.

Let me advise you that ##\delta## functions come all the time in QFT and QM, so if you are not very used to it, maybe would be a nice idea to go first into another book. Anyway, we are here to help.
 
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Thanks again!
 
Gaussian97 said:
$$\int \delta(f(x))dx = \sum_{x_0}\frac{1}{f'(x_0)}\int\delta(x-x_0)dx$$
Sorry I forget an absolute value in the equation, it should be
$$\int \delta(f(x))dx = \sum_{x_0}\frac{1}{|f'(x_0)|}\int\delta(x-x_0)dx$$
 

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