Peskin and Schroeder - page 4 - spin and cross section

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The discussion revolves around the treatment of spin and cross sections in the context of the annihilation reaction ##e^{+}e^{-}\rightarrow \mu^{+}\mu^{-}## as presented in Peskin and Schroeder. Participants explore the implications of spin orientations on calculations, the averaging and summing of cross sections, and the definitions of certain terms within quantum mechanics and quantum field theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that having the spin of each particle polarized parallel or antiparallel to the direction of motion simplifies the calculation of scattering processes.
  • Others argue that averaging over unpolarized electron and positron beams is necessary because collisions can occur with varying polarizations.
  • It is proposed that summing over muon spin orientations is required when detectors cannot measure polarization, similar to counting indistinguishable objects.
  • Questions are raised about how the differential cross section ##\frac{d\sigma}{d\Omega}## varies with different spin orientations and whether the center-of-mass energy ##E_{\text{cm}}## is affected by these orientations.
  • Some participants assert that the quantum-mechanical amplitude ##\mathcal{M}## does change with spin orientations, while others clarify that ##E_{\text{cm}}## remains constant.
  • There is a discussion about why the production of ##\mu^{-}## is considered in the differential cross section, with some noting that the production of ##\mu^{+}## could also be analyzed.
  • Participants question the terminology of "quantum-mechanical" amplitude versus "quantum-field-theoretic" amplitude, attributing it to historical reasons.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of spin orientations for calculations and the definitions of terms, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

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Some claims about the simplifications and complications associated with different spin quantization axes are not fully explored, and the discussion includes assumptions about the nature of the measurements and calculations involved.

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Readers interested in quantum mechanics, quantum field theory, and particle physics may find this discussion relevant, particularly those studying scattering processes and the role of spin in particle interactions.

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In chapter 1 of Peskin and Schroeder, the reaction ##e^{+}e^{-}\rightarrow \mu^{+}\mu^{-}## is studied in detail. The related following paragraph is taken from page 4 of Peskin and Schroeder:

Both the electron and the muon have spin ##1/2##, so their spin orientations must be specified. It is useful to take the axis that defines the spin quantization of each particle to be in the direction of its motion - each particle can then have its spin polarized parallel or antiparallel to this axis. In practice, electron and positron beams are often unpolarized, and muon detectors are normally blind to the muon polarization. Hence one should average the cross section over electron and positron spin orientations, and sum the cross section over muon spin orientations.

I have the following questions regarding the content of the paragraph:

  1. Why is it useful to have the spin of each particle polarized parallel or antiparallel to the direction of its motion?
  2. Why does the fact that electron and positron beams are often unpolarized in practice imply that one should average the cross section over electron and positron spin orientations?
  3. Why does the fact that muon detectors are normally blind to the muon polarization imply that one sum the cross section over muon spin orientations?


 
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failexam said:
Why is it useful to have the spin of each particle polarized parallel or antiparallel to the direction of its motion?
It makes the calculation of the scattering process easier.
failexam said:
Why does the fact that electron and positron beams are often unpolarized in practice imply that one should average the cross section over electron and positron spin orientations?
What else would you do? Sometimes the collision happens with one set of polarizations, sometimes with a different - all you can do is average over them.
failexam said:
Why does the fact that muon detectors are normally blind to the muon polarization imply that one sum the cross section over muon spin orientations?
What else would you do? If you get green and red apples, but cannot measure the color, just the number of apples, you have to sum over the two.
 
mfb said:
It makes the calculation of the scattering process easier.

In what ways is the calculation made easier?

Would it be possible for you to provide details of the simplifications (associated with axis of spin quantisation taken parallel to direction of motion) versus complications (associated with axis of spin quantisation not taken parallel to direction of motion)?
 
The following is taken from page 4 of Peskin and Schroeder and is valid for the annihilation reaction ##e^{+}e^{-}\rightarrow \mu^{+}\mu^{-}##:

For a given set of spin orientations, with ##\mu^{-}## produced into a solid angle ##d\Omega##, the differential cross section is

##\frac{d\sigma}{d\Omega} = \frac{1}{64\pi^{2}E^{2}_{\text{cm}}}\ \cdot{\lvert\mathcal{M}\lvert^{2}}.##


My questions are as follows:
  1. Why does the differential cross section ##\frac{d\sigma}{d\Omega}## change with the given set of spin orientations?
  2. Does ##E_{\text{cm}}## change with the given set of spin orientations?
  3. Does ##\mathcal{M}## change with the given set of spin orientations?
  4. Why is the production of ##\mu^{-}##, and not ##\mu^{+}##, into a solid angle ##d\Omega## considered in the differential cross section ##\frac{d\sigma}{d\Omega}##?
  5. Why is ##\mathcal{M}## called the quantum-mechanical, and not the quantum-field-theoretic, amplitude for the annihilation reaction to occur?
 
failexam said:
In what ways is the calculation made easier?
Look at the actual calculation, try to see how it would look like for other spin directions.
failexam said:
Would it be possible for you to provide details of the simplifications (associated with axis of spin quantisation taken parallel to direction of motion) versus complications (associated with axis of spin quantisation not taken parallel to direction of motion)?
I'm not a textbook or QFT course.

Concerning your new questions (I merged the thread): What do you think? Some of them should be easy to answer, as they do not require any QFT knowledge.
 
failexam said:
Why does the differential cross section ##\frac{d\sigma}{d\Omega}## change with the given set of spin orientations?

The spin orientations of the incoming electron beam and the incoming positron beam affect the numbers of ##\mu^{+}## and ##\mu^{-}## produced into each solid angle ##d\Omega##, hence the dependence of the differential cross section ##\frac{d\sigma}{d\Omega}## with the given set of spin orientations.

failexam said:
Does ##E_{\text{cm}}## change with the given set of spin orientations?

No, ##E_{\text{cm}}## is solely the kinetic energy of the system in the centre-of-mass frame. The contribution to the potential energy of the system due to the given set of spin orientations is negligible.

failexam said:
Does ##\mathcal{M}## change with the given set of spin orientations?

Yes.

failexam said:
Why is the production of ##\mu^{-}##, and not ##\mu^{+}##, into a solid angle ##d\Omega## considered in the differential cross section ##\frac{d\sigma}{d\Omega}##?

We could equally well have considered the production of ##\mu^{+}## into the solid angle ##d\Omega##. The momenta of the ##\mu^{-}## and the ##\mu^{+}## are equal and opposite, so equal numbers of ##\mu^{-}## and ##\mu^{+}## are produced into diametrically opposite solid angles ##d\Omega##.

failexam said:
Why is ##\mathcal{M}## called the quantum-mechanical, and not the quantum-field-theoretic, amplitude for the annihilation reaction to occur?

The general framework (Heisenberg and Schrödinger pictures, perturbation theory, Hermitian operators, etc.) of quantum mechanics is applied to formulate quantum field theory. Indeed, whilst the basic course in quantum mechanics studies the quantisation of single particle systems, quantum field theory studies the quantisation of relativistic fields.
 
What do you think?
 
Right.

For "quantum mechanical": just historic reasons. Naming is often arbitrary.
 

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