Crude geometric estimation or am I missing something?

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The discussion revolves around a physics lab experiment aimed at estimating the radius of the Earth by analyzing the time difference in sunsets observed from different heights. The original poster is exploring the geometric relationships involved in this estimation, particularly questioning the method for calculating a distance labeled as L in their setup.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify the relationship between time, distance, and the Earth's circumference, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of the geometric setup. They question whether their approach to calculating L is valid and seek guidance on its application. Other participants provide mathematical expressions related to the angle subtended by the sun and its relationship to the radius of the Earth, while also noting approximations involved in the calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the geometric relationships and mathematical approximations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculations, but there is no explicit consensus on the original poster's method or the validity of their assumptions.

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The original poster mentions a diagram that is not accessible due to attachment issues, which may limit the clarity of the discussion. Additionally, there are references to specific angles and approximations that are under consideration, indicating potential constraints in the problem setup.

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I'm doing a report for a physics lab experiment where we are calculating the radius of the Earth by measuring the time it takes to see the sunset from the base of a cliff looking out into the pacific ocean till when it sets in relation to an observer at the top of the cliff. The picture I attached shows the diagram and the initial setup on how to find the radius of the Earth with the pythagorean theorem, but in yellow where it suggests how to find the value L, I'm thinking that multiplying the change in time by the circumference of the Earth divided by 24 hours would really give me the distance traveled along the circumference of the earth, not L. Please let me know if I'm right about that and if so can you tell me if and how it might still be used as a crude estimate for L by my professor? If I'm wrong please let me know what geometric rule I'm missing to help me out.



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Part 1 here covers that.
 
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Sorry, I guess the attachment function doesn't work on this site. Here's the image:
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Without the approximations, if the time difference between sunsets is t, then the angle subtended by the sun is [tex]\theta=\omega t[/tex].

From the figure you get,

[tex](R+h)sin\theta=R[/tex]

[tex]R=\frac{hsin\theta}{1-sin\theta}[/tex]

You also know,
[tex]\omega=\frac{2\pi}{24\times 60\times 60}[/tex]

and that [tex]\theta=\omega t[/tex]

as [tex]\theta[/tex] is very small, [tex]sin\theta=\theta[/tex] (approximately).

This gives you (after substituting and rearranging)

[tex]R=\frac{12\times 3600}{\pi}-h[/tex] (approximately)
 
The angle theta that I've taken is 90-theta in the figure.
 

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