Cruise is the level portion of aircraft travel where flight

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The discussion centers around the concept of "cruise" in aviation, particularly focusing on its definition, implications for fuel efficiency, and variations in cruising speed among different types of aircraft, including commercial and military planes. Participants explore the nuances of cruising speed, the efficiency of different flight phases, and the factors influencing these aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that while the cruise phase is the most fuel-efficient, it can also consume the most fuel overall due to its duration.
  • One participant suggests that cruising speed varies significantly between aircraft, with military planes often cruising just below Mach 1.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of "most economical cruise," which refers to the speed that uses the least fuel over the greatest distance, typically lower than the speeds at which most aircraft operate.
  • There is mention of the trade-offs airlines make between speed and fuel efficiency, influenced by factors such as passenger time and operational costs.
  • Participants explore the idea that cruising at low altitudes may be beneficial for stealth warplanes, but this depends on the aircraft's mission and design considerations.
  • One participant explains that all aircraft generally fly more efficiently at higher altitudes, but there are limits based on aircraft design and operational regulations.
  • There is a discussion about how the most efficient cruising altitude can change as an aircraft burns fuel and becomes lighter during flight.
  • Another participant mentions that in rare cases, a heavily-laden aircraft might find its most efficient cruising altitude below sea level.
  • The term "cruising speed" is described as the speed at which an aircraft is both comfortable and economical.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the relationship between cruising speed, fuel efficiency, and altitude. While some points are clarified, there remains no consensus on the optimal cruising strategies for different aircraft types or the implications of cruising at various altitudes.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include assumptions about aircraft design, mission profiles, and operational regulations that may not be universally applicable. The complexity of factors influencing cruising efficiency and speed is acknowledged but not resolved.

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Cruise is the level portion of aircraft travel where flight is most fuel efficient.

then totally opposite statement
For most commercial passenger aircraft, the cruise phase of flight consumes the majority of fuel.

What essentially is cruise speed
 
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Those statements do not contradict each other. The cruise portion of a flight is the most efficient, but usually the longest portion by a long shot. It can still use the most fuel despite being the most efficient. Driving a Prius from Chicago to LA will still use more fuel than driving a pickup from your garage to Wal-Mart, for example.
 


@boneh3ad

Thnx
by the way when applied to warplane what is cruising speed??
 


Off the top of my head, I am not really sure. It depends on the plane. Most of them cruise just below Mach 1 somewhere... the number of 0.85 or so seems to stick out in my mind. However, I believe it is either the F-35 or F-22 that can do supersonic cruising.

I would have to look it up later though when I have more time. The bottom line is that it is different for every plane.
 


The term "cruise" has different applications. The term "most economical cruise" uses the least fuel over the greatest distance. That's called "best range," and it's way below what most aircraft fly, including military aircraft.

As time is money for the pax, they're willing to pay a few more dollars to travel across country or the oceas in a few less hours of time, thus, the pilots push things up beyond best range. Then there's the salaries of the flight crew, so a few more knots are added until an in-flight mini-max solution is obtained. Then there's wear and tear on the airframe and engines as both a function of time in flight was well as an inverse to the square of the velocity, so that's added in as well.

Finally one has to deal with lost airfare if the pax don't make their connections on time, along with the lost goodwill from both them, the media, and potential future pax.

The calculations aren't difficult, but the result is an optimax solution which allows the airlines to turn the largest net margine possible.

From what I've been able to gather, airlines have yet to achieve the most economical target. It may be because of several factors, but I think your average airline could easily increase nets by $1 M a year.

If you'd like to speak about it further, I'm available for hire (inquire within) :)
 


@mugaliens

Thnx
If you'd like to speak about it further, I'm available for hire (inquire within) :)
I just am a student & questioned it out of curiosity. However; can any plane cruise at low altitudes which is beneficial for stealth warplanes. I think cruising/super-cruising only is obtained at very high altitude
 


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@mugaliens

Thnx

Any time. :)

I just am a student & questioned it out of curiosity. However; can any plane cruise at low altitudes which is beneficial for stealth warplanes. I think cruising/super-cruising only is obtained at very high altitude

Whether or not cruising stealthily and efficiently at low altitude is included in the design of an aircraft depends on the mission. For something like the B-2, a high-altitude weapons delivery platform, it's not part of the mission.

The reason military aircraft in the 60s through the 90s flew low-level was to fly below the radar, using terrain masking to help hide the aircraft from enemy search radar. These days stealth technology is so good that aircraft can fly at altitude without showing up on radar, so they do.

All aircraft, including reciprocating props, turboprops, turbojets, and turbofans, fly more efficiently at a higher altitude than sea level*, but only to a point, and that point is both an entering argument in the aircraft's design, as well as a result of that design. For example, practical considerations such as FAA regulations requiring the flight crew being on 100% oxygen above FL 430 render flight above the FL 430 fatiguing. Therefore, most airliners are designed such that at average pax/cargo weights, min fuel, and temperatures, FL 430 is the most efficient cruise altitude.

This depends mostly on the weight of the aircraft and the outside air temperature. The weight changes throughout the flight as fuel is burned, and temperature changes with decreasing altitude, but only to a point. At any given weight, there is a most efficient altitude. Flying any higher than that actually decreases per-mile efficiency. A fully-laden airliner, therefore, might start at FL 280, but throughout the flight it will step-climb to successively higher altitudes as it burns fuel and becomes lighter. As it nears it's destination, having burned all that fuel, it might be at FL 420.

* In the rare case of a very heavily-laden aircraft on a hot day, the most efficient cruise altitude can actually be below sea level. In fact, the service ceiling, which is the safest altitude an airplane should fly, can be below sea level! When that happens, it's safer to take the bus.
 


^^Thnx
 


The speed at which the aircraft is comfortable and also economical is known to be crusing speed.
 
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@boneh3ad

Thnx
by the way when applied to warplane what is cruising speed??

Generally speaking, max range airspeed/mach is used whenever something else isn't required tactically. Get's you the longest distance using the least amount of gas. This airspeed is a function of altitude, ambient temperature, external stores (how much stuff you are dragging through the air on the wings), as well as fuel load/gross weight. Bottom line is that you fly the angle of attack that corresponds to max range, as this does not vary with any of the above parameters.
 

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