Current Induced in a Wire

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of current induced in a wire moving through a magnetic field, specifically when the wire moves parallel to its length and perpendicular to the magnetic field. Participants explore the implications of this setup on current direction, voltage, and the treatment of the wire as an object with cross-sectional area.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the direction of the induced current when a wire moves parallel to its length in a magnetic field, suggesting it would be 'up' based on the right-hand rule.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of equations in physics and asks for the relevant equation to describe the situation.
  • A participant provides equations related to electromotive force (emf) and discusses the conditions under which current would be induced, noting that a changing magnetic field is necessary for current generation.
  • There is a discussion about the treatment of the wire as having a cross-sectional area and the implications this has for voltage and current, with one participant noting that a wire must be part of a circuit to have current flow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for current to be induced in the wire, particularly regarding the need for a changing magnetic field and the implications of the wire's physical dimensions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the situation, including the need for a circuit for current to flow and the potential limitations of treating the wire as an object with a significant cross-sectional area.

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If a wire moves with some constant velocity (4 m/s for example in the diagram) parallel to the direction of the wire itself (unlike in most physics problems in which you drag a wire 'sideways' or perpendicular to the direction of the wire) but still perpendicular to the magnetic field, what is the direction of the current produced?

We know that the force created by the current needs to oppose the direction of motion, so by the right hand rule, it would seem that the case illustrated in the diagram would yield a current in the 'up' direction, as in there would be electrons moving 'down' across the diameter of the wire. Would that mean that there is a voltage across the diameter of the wire? or am I missing something entirely?
 

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Hi CarsonAdams! :smile:

Physics is equations.

What is the equation for this? :wink:
 
Tiny-tim, this is at least the second time you've slyly guided people to the right answer.

Alright, I would use

[itex]\epsilon[/itex][itex]=[/itex][itex]B[/itex][itex]l[/itex][itex]\nu[/itex]
or maybe better...
[itex]\epsilon[/itex][itex]=\frac{-\Delta(BAcos(\theta))}{\Delta t}[/itex]

So since obviously you don't have a changing area, and you're moving already inside a magnetic field, you're not going to get a current since the magnetic field isn't changing. Stupid of me, but I suppose I meant more of a diagram like the one below in which the wire is moving into a magnetic field.

So, I guess the more fundamental question I mean to ask is How accurately can we treat a wire as an object that has cross sectional area, and what implications does that hold for voltage and current?

With the square wire set shown, the first equation stated is great, and from the voltage and resistance you can calculate the current which makes things easier..
 

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CarsonAdams said:
Tiny-tim, this is at least the second time you've slyly guided people to the right answer.

he he! :biggrin:
… I suppose I meant more of a diagram like the one below in which the wire is moving into a magnetic field.

So, I guess the more fundamental question I mean to ask is How accurately can we treat a wire as an object that has cross sectional area, and what implications does that hold for voltage and current?

A wire certainly does have a width, albeit a tiny one that will have only a tiny potential difference. :smile:

But don't forget, it won't have a current unless there's a circuit

which there won't be unless you somehow join the top to the bottom "the long way round". :wink:
 

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