Current Through a Beam of Protons

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The discussion revolves around calculating the current through a beam of protons, with specific parameters including the beam's diameter, proton density, and kinetic energy. The participants are exploring the application of the formula for current in terms of charge, charge density, cross-sectional area, and velocity.

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  • Participants discuss the formula for current and the variables involved, including charge density and cross-sectional area. There are questions about the calculations for the area of the beam and the conversion of units. Some participants express confusion over the relationship between charge density and the number of protons in different volume units.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations and assumptions involved in determining the current. Some participants have provided alternative calculations and corrections to previous errors, while others are seeking clarification on specific aspects of the problem. No consensus has been reached, and multiple interpretations of the variables are being considered.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework program that requires answers to be within a specific tolerance of the correct value. There is also mention of potential typos and misunderstandings regarding the values used in calculations.

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A cylindrically shaped beam of protons has a diameter of 1.20 mm and has 1.40e6 protons per cubic centimeter. The kinetic energy of each proton is 1.15 keV.
What is the beam current in microamperes?

I know that:
I=qnA<v>
I am 99% sure this is the equation that you use.
q is the charge of the proton or q=1.602e-19C

n is the charge density of the protons which is 1.4e6 protons/cubic centimeter. in order to get this into cubic meters I should divide by 1e6. Then n= 1.4 protons/cubic meter

A is the cross sectional area of the beam or. (1.2/1000)= .012/2= \pi(6e-4)^2= 1.3097e-6

using 1/2mv^2=ke I found that v=469352.4916m/s

I plugged all these values into the above equation to get the current in amperes, then I multiplied this by 1e6 to get it into microamperes. I am still getting it wrong, and I don't know why. The homework program only let's me get point if I am 1% within the scientifically notated answer. My answer was 1.1905e-13 microamperes...

This is so frustrating, and I am about to pull my hair out...
 
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I agree with your velocity.
area of the beam or. (1.2/1000)= .012/2= LaTeX Code: \\pi (6e-4)^2= 1.3097e-6
is difficult to understand. Why divide the radius by 2? I think that is your only mistake - I've got twice your answer.
I found the volume of the cylinder of electrons that passes by any given point in a second using d = vt, then used V = pi*r^2*L to get the the volume. Finally, calculated the number of protons and charge in that volume.
 
isn't the variable n the cross sectional area of the beam. since the beam is a cylinder, the cross sectional area is a circle. the area of a circle is \pir^2. the problem gives us the diameter in mm. i converted this to m and then divided it by two to get the radius...
n should be the cross sectional area because I is in amperes (which has a unit of C/s). when you multiply charge by charge density by A by velocity you should get C/s. Then (C)(1/m^3)(A)(m/s)= C/s, so A must have a value of m^2.
 
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cwatki14 said:
n is the charge density of the protons which is 1.4e6 protons/cubic centimeter. in order to get this into cubic meters I should divide by 1e6. Then n= 1.4 protons/cubic meter

I don't understand this. Why are there less protons in a cubic meter (1.4) than there would be in a cubic centimeter (1.4e6)?
 
Oops - sorry! I wrote down 1.2 mm as the radius and never checked it!

With that change I agree with your answer of 1.19 x 10-7 A.

I guess you have a typo in this bit: "pi (6e-4)^2= 1.3097e-6"
I get 1.13E-6.
 
The answer of 1.19 x 10-7 A was wrong. The computer won't let me guess anymore, but I tried calculating it out again just to see. This time I said that n should be 1.4 x 10^6 x 1x10^6. Then I=.119 A. Does this seem right?
 
Using meters throughout, I had
I = qnAv = 1.6E-19*1.4E12*1.13E-6*4.69E5 = 1.19E-7 Amps.
Oh, that is 0.119 microamps not the 1.1905e-13 microamperes you had in the first post. What a shame if that is all that was wrong!
 

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