Current through a wire and electron deflection

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The discussion revolves around a classical physics experiment involving the trajectory of an electron as it approaches a current-carrying wire. The wire is described as having current flowing "out of the page," and participants explore how variations in current might affect the electron's path due to the magnetic field generated by the current.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between current and the magnetic field, questioning whether increasing or decreasing the current alters the electron's trajectory. There are inquiries about the nature of the Lorentz force and the conditions under which it acts on the electron.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the magnetic field's behavior and its interaction with the electron's motion. Some guidance on using the right-hand rule to determine the direction of the magnetic field has been shared, but there remains uncertainty regarding the electron's deflection and the implications of its motion relative to the wire.

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There are discussions about the definitions of current and magnetic fields, as well as the assumptions regarding the electron's initial trajectory and the nature of forces acting on it. Some participants express confusion about the expected outcomes based on their previous experiences with similar problems.

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so i know this is a classical experiment but I am having trouble understanding this idea.

basically the experiment shoots an electron at a current charged wire (current coming "out of the page"). Does increasing/decreasing the current change the trajectory of the electron. and if so/if not, why?

im guessing that changing current will change the trajectory of the electron because of the fact that a changing current induces a magnetic field that exerts a force on the moving electron? but at the same time i read somewhere that it never does "work" on the electron. any ideas? :(
 
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Technically it's not a changing current that induces a magnetic field. A fixed, constant current also induces a magnetic field. It's moving charge(s) that induce the magnetic field.
A change in the magnetic field however will induce a current (or electric field).

If the current gets larger however, the magnetic field around the wire will also get larger:
B = \frac{\mu_0 I}{2 \pi r}

The trajectory of the electron is determined by the Lorentz force:
\vec{F_l} = q \vec{v} \times \vec{B}How does the electron get fired at the wire? In what direction?
You might see from the formula for the lorentz force that if the direction of the moving electron (direction of v) is the same as the direction of the magnetic field (B) than the cross-product will be 0 so the field will exert no force on the electron.

Since the magnetic field will be circling around the wire however, it is important how the electron is moving in relation to the wire (parallel to the wire, at a right angle to the wire etc..?)
 
well if the current carrying wire is going "out of the page" (negative Z direction?) then the electron would be traveling along the (negative X axis) to be supposedly deflected downward into the negative Y direction

is that the same direction as the direction of the magnetic field then?
 
Using the right-hand rule you can determine the direction of the magnetic field.

Point your thumb (right hand) in the direction of the current (in this case, up), then your other fingers will indicate the direction of the magnetic field.

In this case, the magnetic field will be circeling around the wire counter-clockwise (or in the \vec{e_{\phi}} direction).

See the image:
i29.tinypic.com/4l26q0.jpg

If the electron (e) is moving toward the wire (the right-most electron in the image) then the magnetic field B will point at a perpendicular angle to the line from the wire to the electron. Since the electron's speed v is in the -x direction and the magnetic field B has a component in the +y direction, the cross-product for the lorentz force yields a force in the -z direction.

If the electron is moving away from the wire (left-most electron) then the magnetic field will have a component in the -y direction, so the cross-product yields a force in the +z direction.

If the electron is on the y-axis (in the image) than the magnetic field vector and the speed vector will point in the same (but opposite) direction, yielding NO force.

Looking 'from the side' you will see the electron make like a bend. The lorentz force will not act in the x or y direction so from the top-view (looking down the z-axis) you will see a straight line.

However, this does seem strange to me... I don't know why... I never encountered such a problem with an electron and a wire. I only ever saw these problems with uniform magnetic fields...
I might be doing something wrong, but I don't think so though.What makes you think the electron gets a deflection in the negative y-direction? This cannot happen since both the magnetic field and the electron's speed vectors lie in the xy-plane. The lorentz force is always perpendicular to both the speed and magnetic field so the lorentz force can never lie in the xy-plane aswell. It should always be in the + or -z direction.
 
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