Curvature and Tangent Line Distance Relationship

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the radius of curvature and the distance from the origin to the tangent line of the curve defined by the equation \(x^{\frac{2}{3}} + y^{\frac{2}{3}} = a^{\frac{2}{3}}, a > 0\). Participants are tasked with showing that the radius of curvature at a point on the curve is three times the distance from the origin to the tangent line at that point.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express confusion about how to begin the problem, particularly regarding the differentiation of the curve to find curvature and radius of curvature. There are attempts to use Wolfram Alpha for curvature calculations, but uncertainty remains about the differentiation process. Some participants suggest using implicit differentiation to find \(dy/dx\) and question whether treating \(a^{2/3}\) as a constant is appropriate. Others discuss the distance from the origin to the point on the curve and consider simplifying the problem by assigning a specific value to \(a\).

Discussion Status

Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and seeking clarification on differentiation techniques. There is a mix of approaches being explored, including implicit differentiation and integration, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method or solution path. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of implicit differentiation and the treatment of constants.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of differentiating the original equation and the potential need for additional information or clarification on the curvature and tangent line concepts. There is an acknowledgment of the challenge posed by the problem's requirements and the mathematical techniques involved.

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Homework Statement



Let T be the tangent line at the point P(x,y) to the graph of the curve ##x^{\frac{2}{3}}+y^{\frac{2}{3}}=a^{\frac{2}{3}}, a>0##. Show that the radius of curvature at P is three times the distance from the origin to the tangent line T.

Homework Equations


R=1/K
##R=\frac{\left ( 1+\left ( y' \right )^2 \right )^{2/3}}{y''}##

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm having quite a lot of trouble figuring out where to begin this problem. I know that I need to find the curvature and radius of curvature of the given curve, but just find that is confusing to me.

To begin I used Wolfram Alpha to evaluate what the curvature and radius of curvature would be. I get the result that
##K=3\sqrt{\frac{1}{x^{\frac{2}{3}}}+\frac{1}{y^{\frac{2}{3}}}}\left ( x\cdot y \right )^{\frac{3}{2}}##
##R=\frac{1}{3\sqrt{\frac{1}{x^{\frac{2}{3}}}+\frac{1}{y^{\frac{2}{3}}}}\left ( x\cdot y \right )^{\frac{3}{2}}}##

I'm not sure how this conclusion is made considering it is unclear to me how to actually differentiate the original equation to find K or R.

I know that the distance from the origin to the point P could be found by integrating the magnitude of the derivative of th original equation equation, but I am not sure how to integrate this way either.

I was thinking maybe I could give "a" an arbitrary value like 1 so that I might actually be able to differentiate it, yet I am not sure about it. Is there any differentiation technique that I should be looking specifically at to help me find the derivative of ##x^{\frac{2}{3}}+y^{\frac{2}{3}}=a^{\frac{2}{3}}, a>0##?

Or am i going about this problem completely wrong and should think of curvature and the tangent line in a different sense?
 
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Does anyone have a hint? I have been working on this problem in between my breaks at school, and can't understand where to start.
 
TyroneTheDino said:

Homework Statement



Let T be the tangent line at the point P(x,y) to the graph of the curve ##x^{\frac{2}{3}}+y^{\frac{2}{3}}=a^{\frac{2}{3}}, a>0##. Show that the radius of curvature at P is three times the distance from the origin to the tangent line T.

Homework Equations


R=1/K
##R=\frac{\left ( 1+\left ( y' \right )^2 \right )^{2/3}}{y''}##

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm having quite a lot of trouble figuring out where to begin this problem. I know that I need to find the curvature and radius of curvature of the given curve, but just find that is confusing to me.

To begin I used Wolfram Alpha to evaluate what the curvature and radius of curvature would be. I get the result that
##K=3\sqrt{\frac{1}{x^{\frac{2}{3}}}+\frac{1}{y^{\frac{2}{3}}}}\left ( x\cdot y \right )^{\frac{3}{2}}##
##R=\frac{1}{3\sqrt{\frac{1}{x^{\frac{2}{3}}}+\frac{1}{y^{\frac{2}{3}}}}\left ( x\cdot y \right )^{\frac{3}{2}}}##

I'm not sure how this conclusion is made considering it is unclear to me how to actually differentiate the original equation to find K or R.
Use implicit differentiation to find dy/dx in your equation ##x^{2/3} + y^{2/3} = a^{2/3}##.
TyroneTheDino said:
I know that the distance from the origin to the point P could be found by integrating the magnitude of the derivative of th original equation equation, but I am not sure how to integrate this way either.
The distance from the origin to P(x, y) is ##\sqrt{x^2 + y^2}##. This is a point on the graph whose equation is given, so I would look for using that equation to get the distance in terms of x alone.
TyroneTheDino said:
I was thinking maybe I could give "a" an arbitrary value like 1 so that I might actually be able to differentiate it, yet I am not sure about it. Is there any differentiation technique that I should be looking specifically at to help me find the derivative of ##x^{\frac{2}{3}}+y^{\frac{2}{3}}=a^{\frac{2}{3}}, a>0##?

Or am i going about this problem completely wrong and should think of curvature and the tangent line in a different sense?
 
Mark44 said:
Use implicit differentiation to find dy/dx in your equation x2/3+y2/3=a2/3x^{2/3} + y^{2/3} = a^{2/3}.


When differentiating is it okay if I say that a^(2/3) will be a constant?
 
TyroneTheDino said:
When differentiating is it okay if I say that a^(2/3) will be a constant?
Yes
 
For differentiating the first equation I get##-\frac{\sqrt[3]{y}}{\sqrt[3]{x}}##. And when I do the second derivative, and I end up with ##\left ( \frac{1}{3} \right )\sqrt[3]{\frac{y}{x^4}}##.

Using these values I get

##\frac{3\left ( \frac{x^\frac{2}{3}+y^{\frac{3}{2}}}{x^{\frac{2}{3}}} \right )^{\frac{3}{2}}}{\left ( \frac{1}{3} \right )\sqrt[3]{\frac{y}{x^4}}}##

as the curvature, but I think that looks like it is going in the wrong direction still.

Considering that when I typed the original equation. I got the result that the curvature of the radius is

##3\sqrt{\frac{1}{x^{\frac{2}{3}}}+\frac{1}{y^{\frac{2}{3}}}}(xy)^{2/3}##

Is there anything that you can suggest I am making a mistake on?
 

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