Curved trails by motion of heavenly bodies in space

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of whether the motion of heavenly bodies in space creates localized trails or perturbations in the fabric of spacetime, as suggested by general relativity (GR). Participants explore the nature of these effects and the implications of gravitational waves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the motion of stars does not create trails in space, suggesting a fluid-like nature of spacetime.
  • Another participant asserts that while motion does create waves, these waves are extremely tiny and currently impossible to measure, referencing ongoing experiments related to gravitational waves from black hole binaries.
  • A third participant distinguishes between waves and localized trails, suggesting that the original question pertains to localized effects rather than spreading waves.
  • Another participant argues that perturbations in spacetime travel at the speed of light, indicating that a single test particle in a vacuum does not leave a wake, as space is not viscous and does not dissipate energy in that manner.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of perturbations created by moving bodies in space, with some suggesting that localized trails are not possible while others discuss the existence of gravitational waves. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific nature and implications of these effects.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in measuring gravitational waves and the assumptions regarding the properties of spacetime, such as its non-viscous nature and the speed of perturbations.

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Hi all,

This is a kind of idiotic question.

The presence of heavenly bodies in cosmos creates curvature in cosmos according to GR and the space has a kind of fluid like nature. I was wondering if the motion of stars through space creates trails. It sure doesnot. My question is why not?
 
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That is an excellent question :-) Actually it does, but the waves produced are very very very tiny. They are so tiny, measuring the waves generated like this is impossible, even in theory. There are some experiments going on trying to measure gravitational waves generated by black hole binary systems, which are shedding a large part of their kinetic energy to gravitational radiation. Even this is very challenging.
 
ooh, i don't know :confused:

that's waves, which spread out, and the question was about localised trails, as from an aircraft or in a cloud chamber

so the question is whether there's anything that could "condense" :wink:
 
Oh I see, well then no. Because perturbations like that travel always at the speed of light. You would need a source constantly sending a signal to get a static perturbation.

I was thinking like a wake left by a boat. It works for multiple bodies, but a single test particle in a vacuum does not leave a wake, because space is not viscous. You don't lose energy to the medium and therefore there are no waves.
 

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