Cyclic set: Difference between generator and unit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of generators and units within the context of cyclic sets, specifically focusing on the cyclic set Z8. Participants explore the definitions and distinctions between these concepts, as well as their implications in both additive and multiplicative structures.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the difference between generators and units in cyclic sets, particularly in Z8.
  • Another participant notes that Z8 can be viewed under two operations: addition modulo 8 and multiplication modulo 8, highlighting that Z8 - {0} is not a group under multiplication due to 8 not being prime.
  • It is mentioned that certain elements in (Z8)* have inverses, with 3 being identified as its own inverse under multiplication modulo 8.
  • A distinction is made that the elements possessing inverses under multiplication modulo 8 are called units, forming a group denoted U(8), which is stated to be non-cyclic and requiring at least two generators.
  • For the additive group of Z8, it is noted that the generators are also the units, specifically the elements 1, 3, 5, and 7, which have additive order 8.
  • A theorem is referenced regarding the condition for an element to be a unit in Zn, prompting participants to guess the answer related to the gcd of the element and n.
  • Clarification is provided that an element is only a unit if it possesses a multiplicative inverse in a ring.
  • Discussion includes the identification of zero-divisors in Z8, specifically noting that elements like 2 and 4 cannot have inverses due to their common divisor with 8.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of generators and units, but there are nuances regarding their implications in different operations (addition vs. multiplication) and the structure of Z8 that remain contested. The discussion does not reach a consensus on all points, particularly regarding the nature of units and generators in various contexts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of units and generators, as well as the unresolved implications of zero-divisors in the context of Z8. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of cyclic groups and rings.

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Hello everyone,

I've just begun a lesson on cyclic sets, but I am having problems determining a few concepts. One question will ask me to find the generators and the units of a cyclic set Z8. I have become confused and realized that I did not understand the difference between a generator and a unit in a cyclic set. Could someone explain such difference?
 
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perhaps you mean cyclic groups, or more generally a cyclic ring?

in Z8 there are two operations: addition modulo 8, and multiplication modulo 8. now 8 is not prime, and one consequence of this is that Z8 - {0} is not a group under multiplication.

nevertheless, certain elements of (Z8)* do indeed have inverses:

(3)(3) = 9 = 1 (mod 8), so 3 is its own inverse in Z8 (under multiplication mod 8).

the elements that possesses inverses under multiplication modulo 8 are called units, and form a group, the group of units of Z8 (sometimes denoted U(8)).

one can show that U(8) is NOT cyclic, so it does not have a single generator (it takes at least two).

for certain integers n, U(n) IS cyclic, and one can speak of a generator, or "primitive element".

as far as the ADDITIVE group of Z8, that is (of course) cyclic, and it just so happens that the generators of Z8 as a cyclic group (under addition modulo 8) are also the units (elements of U(8)).

there is, in fact, this theorem:

k is a unit of Zn iff gcd(k,n) = ?

(see if you can guess the answer).
 
Is an element only a unit if it possesses a multiplicative inverse then?
 
smithnya said:
Is an element only a unit if it possesses a multiplicative inverse then?

in a ring, yes.

ok, the cyclic group Z8 is {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7}, where the group operation is addition modulo 8. technically, i should write [k] instead of k, since these are NOT integers, but equivalence classes of integers, but this abuse of notation is common-place.

as a(n additive) group the generators of Z8 are 1,3,5 and 7 (these are the only elements of additive order 8).

but as a ring, Z8 is not a domain, because it has zero-divisors: for example, 2 and 4 are zero-divisors, since (2)(4) = 0 (mod 8). this also means 2 and 4 cannot possibly have inverses, because if (for example again) 4 had an inverse a:

((2)(4))a = 0a
2(4a) = 0
2(1) = 0
2 = 0, a contradiction.

this happens precisely because 4 and 8 have a common divisor.
 

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