Cylinder & Piston Thermodynamics Calculations

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The discussion revolves around thermodynamic calculations involving a vertical cylinder containing a monatomic ideal gas, closed off by a piston. Participants are tasked with determining various properties such as the number of gas molecules, initial and final pressures, work done by the gas, and final temperature, while considering the system's thermal insulation and the forces acting on the piston.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the number of gas molecules and the initial pressure using the ideal gas law. There is also a focus on the final pressure of the gas and whether atmospheric pressure should be considered. Some participants question the assumptions regarding the pressure calculations and the integration of work done by the gas.

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Some participants have confirmed their calculations for the number of gas molecules and initial pressure, while others are exploring the implications of atmospheric pressure on the final pressure. There is ongoing dialogue about the integration process for calculating work done, with some guidance provided on the need to consider the type of process involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for certain calculations. There is also a hint provided in the original problem statement regarding the equilibrium position of the piston.

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Homework Statement



A vertical cylinder contains 500 moles of a monatomic ideal gas and is
closed off by a piston of mass 50 kg and a cross-sectional area of 100 cm2. The whole system is thermally insulated during the entire process described below. Initially, the piston is clamped in position so that the gas occupies a volume of 1 m3 and is at a temperature of 300 K. The piston is then released, and eventually comes to rest in a final equilibrium position corresponding to some larger volume V of the gas. Neglect any frictional forces which might prevent the piston from sliding freely within the cylinder. Compute:

(a) the number of gas molecules in the cylinder;

(b) the initial pressure of the gas (in units of atm);

(c) the final pressure of the gas (in units of atm).

(d) Obtain an expression for the work done by the expanding gas in terms of change in volume of the system.

Using the above results, apply the first law of thermodynamics and compute:

(e) the final volume of the gas; and

(f) the final temperature of the gas.
[HINT: The final equilibrium position of the piston is reached when the weight of the piston is exactly balanced by the pressure of the gas. Note: the process described above is not reversible.]


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...Part A) i believe ij ust multiply 500 moles by avagdrs nubers

N = 500(6.02E^23) = 3.01E^26

...Part B) P = NkT/V = (3.01E^23)(1.38E^-23)(300)/1 = 1246140 N/m^2

N/^2 = 9.86923E^-6 atm

Therefore P_o = 12.29844227 atm

...Part C)

P = F/A = 50(9.81)/.1 = 490500 N/m^2 = 4.840857 atm (i think this is wrong, does anything less than 1 atm imply there is a vacume)

...Part D) i believe i used W = integral of Pdv,

v_o = 1 ^3, v_final = Nkt/P = (3.01E^23)(1.38E^-23)(300)/490500 = .00254 m^3

the vfinal should be larger than v initial because the pressure went down. what did i do wrong
 
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joemama69 said:

Homework Statement



...Part A) i believe ij ust multiply 500 moles by avagdrs nubers

N = 500(6.02E^23) = 3.01E^26

...Part B) P = NkT/V = (3.01E^23)(1.38E^-23)(300)/1 = 1246140 N/m^2

N/^2 = 9.86923E^-6 atm

Therefore P_o = 12.29844227 atm

All of that is right.

...Part C)

P = F/A = 50(9.81)/.1 = 490500 N/m^2 = 4.840857 atm (i think this is wrong, does anything less than 1 atm imply there is a vacume)

You have to take into account the pressure exerted by the atmosphere. Also, 100 cm^2 is 0.01 m^2, not 0.1 m^2.
 
P = F/A = 50(9.81)/.01 = 49050 N/m^2 = .4840857 atm

Ok so that is the Pressure frm the weight of the piston

Do i have to add in 1 atm, making it 1.5 atm
 
Yeah.
 
because it desnt matter what's in the cylinder or how much, it only depends on the applied forces, if it pushes down with x amount, the gas is going to compress and push back with x amount pressure... is this ture
 
Part D)

is this siply W = integral PdV from v_o=1 to V = nRT/P
 
joemama69 said:
because it desnt matter what's in the cylinder or how much, it only depends on the applied forces, if it pushes down with x amount, the gas is going to compress and push back with x amount pressure... is this ture

I don't understand this. What's "it"? What's "x amount"?
 
joemama69 said:
Part D)

is this siply W = integral PdV from v_o=1 to V = nRT/P

Yes, but you have to figure out how to integrate PdV
 
Do you mean integrating based on the type of process,
 
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what do you mean i have to figure out how to integrate PdV,
 
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Forget about that for a moment. Just find the answer to d): what is the work done by the expanding gas?
 
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W = integral PdV from v_o=1 to V = nRT/P

=P(nRT/P -1) = nRT - P
 

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