Pressure of a piston cylinder device after heated

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The discussion revolves around understanding the pressure changes in a piston-cylinder device when heated, particularly focusing on scenarios where the initial and final pressures may or may not be the same. Participants are examining two specific problems that illustrate different conditions affecting pressure behavior.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are exploring the conditions under which the final pressure equals the initial pressure in a piston-cylinder device. There is a consideration of whether the volume can change and how that impacts pressure. Questions arise about the clarity of problem statements and the significance of phase differences in the substances involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the clarity of the problem statements and the implications of phase states on pressure outcomes. Some guidance has been offered regarding the importance of specifications in the problems, particularly concerning single-phase versus two-phase conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the first problem involves a super-heated state while the second problem involves a two-phase region, which may influence the assumption about pressure equality. There is mention of missing figures that could provide additional context to the problems discussed.

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I am confused on when will pressure of two states be the same for a piston cylinder device. Below are two problems where one's final pressure equals the initial pressure and one is not.
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Initially, I thought a piston-cylinder device will have the same initial pressure and final pressure as long as there is no rigid container or some physical limit that prevent the volume form expanding, if the volume is allowed to change, then when the piston is at rest, it will have the same final pressure as the initial pressure. But after doing some examples, I feel like P_f= P_i is kind rare. so how do you know if the pressure of state 2 is going to change? [/B]
 

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It should be clearly specified in the problem statement or the accompanying figure.
 
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Chestermiller said:
It should be clearly specified in the problem statement or the accompanying figure.

is it clearly specified in the above two problems? the only difference I noticed is that the first problem is in a single phase ( super-heated), and the second problem is in two phase region. is that why we can assume the second problem's final pressure does not equal initial pressure?
 
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is it clearly specified in the above two problems? the only difference I noticed is that the first problem is in a single phase ( super-heated), and the second problem is in two phase region. is that why we can assume the second problem's final pressure does not equal initial pressure?
The second problem is very clearcut because of the specification of saturated vapor in the final state. The first problem is not properly specified (unless there is a figure that goes along with the problem, that hasn't been included).
 
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